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INTJ's in Religion

2009-11-07T22:38:28Z

This should be fun. Hi my name is Ryan. I have an INTJ personality type and due to being dropped on my head as a child, have only a lowly IQ of 124. So, since I have been severely damaged as far as my potential mental capacity was concerned, I have embarked on the great adventure of determining what my fellow INTJians believe in, if anything, as far as nonworldy philosophy is concerned. I have this sinking feeling in the bottom of my stomach that this is undoubtedly a horrible, terrible idea. But just for grins, let me ask you. What are your beliefs and why do you to believe them?

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INTJs and people testing

2009-11-07T20:30:29Z

Is by any chance the intensive testing of people before getting into some sort of close relationship or intimacy a typical INTJ trait/ habit ?

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careers for INTJ's - are you bored easily?

2009-11-07T15:55:59Z

Are there any INTJs out there that have found careers that keep them interested? I get bored so easily... once I figure out the basics of a career and have learned most of the principles behind it I become bored and restless. What was once an interesting job becomes unbearable. I was a teacher for a couple of years but quickly figured out that, while I love learning in school, teaching what I already know to others is boring. And I get frustrated when others don't try their best - so management didn't work out too well, either. I am grateful for my teaching experience, though, becuase I think it helped me to better develop the E and F sides of my personality.

Not sure what to try next.. I love school but once I'm out there in the real world doing the job I'm ready to learn something else. Business/finance does not interest me at all.

Also, my N is at 100%! Has anyone else had such a high score on N or know what this might mean in terms of careers?

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fear of intimacy

2009-11-07T15:45:31Z

any INTJs have seroius problems with intimacy.

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New evidence about Jung's type preferences

2009-11-06T22:11:51Z

Detailed on my blog:
http://www.TypeInsights.com/blog/announcement/news-flash/

Enjoy!

-Vicky Jo :-)

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Conversational pet-peeves

2009-11-06T22:04:10Z

-repetition of dubious statements
-refusal to concede and move on constructively
-anecdotes as evidence
-unwillingness to discuss to conclusion
-someone being afraid to hurt my feelings gets in the way of truth and pisses me off worse than any 'hurt feelings' ever could(I am a knowlege robot with no feelings)
-pseudoscience offered as science
-non-comprehension of basic facts
-non-comprehension of terminology spoken(people who use words they don't even know the meaning of-AAARRGHH!!!!)
-inability to 'connect the dots'
-ad hominem in place of the original subject - just useless!

Too much of this type of nonsense and I tend to get very sarcastic...

Who feels the same?

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Rarity of INTJ women

2009-11-06T21:02:46Z

http://personalitycafe.com/intj-forum-scientists/3146-rarity-intj-women.html

What do you guys think?

There are more great information about intjs located here...

http://personalitycafe.com/intj-forum-scientists/

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Is there truly any trend in compatibility between types?

2009-11-05T23:55:34Z

I've read a number of articles about how certain types are supposedly best suited with one or two other types. In particular, I keep reading about how INTJs are supposed to be best matched with ENFPs. Now, admittedly I haven't met many ENFPs (actually only one, who is my Mum's boss) but from what I've read lately it actually sounds like a terrible match. Judging from the one ENFP that I've met, and also from what I've read they seem to be quite unpredictable, emotional, compulsive, and a bit hyper active. Not meaning to bash ENFPs here, but this just seems like a very strange match. For instance with myself, I like to know that once someone makes a committment that they are actually going to follow through with it and not just change their mind on a whim so they can move onto something new. I actually find that type of behaviour very unsettling. I also have a strong distaste for people expressing their emotions too frequently, I find this equally draining.

Anyway, I was just wondering whether anyone other INTJs felt the same way or whether there were trends at all regarding who we are most compatible with.

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Do you have a college degree? What is your major?

2009-10-31T19:57:11Z

Just looking for more commonalities.

I graduated from high school in 1987. I perceived college as an amplified extension of high school, in which drinking beer was everyone's major, and that college was nothing more than glorified, expensive job training.

Back then, I didn't need a degree in order to be successful or valued in the workplace. I worked as a staff accountant worth $35,000 per year, with 4 years experience by the time I was 23.

College didn't suit my learning style or fit into my career hours. I felt it insulted my intelligence and held me back, so I had to take responsibility for my own learning. I purchased text books from student book exchanges and studied them on my own. I have an estimated 1500 books in my library, 15 years of work documentation and glowing letters of reference from people with master degrees and doctorates - but none of that seems to matter now, because I don't have a gold stamp of approval from a degree-granting institution stamped on my forehead.

School is different now, with accredited online schools that do recognize that people can learn outside the walls of a traditional school setting, and will give you credit for competencies, so I'm now completing a degree in Human Resources Management; then I'm going for a Master in Organizational Behavior, and possibly a Ph.D. in Organizational Psychology.

Even if traditional college attendance did appeal to me after high school graduation, I couldn't have chosen a major. I didn't know who I was or what interested me - what my passions were... I didn't want to be cast into a mold. I didn't want to be an accountant or a marketer or a personnel manager, etc.

I started my own consulting firm 5 years ago, and since I didn't have degree credentials, I got certified in Organizational Management and Business Development.

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OK so it is well documented that people with an N function preference as opposed to a S function tend to have a higher IQ....

2009-10-31T11:16:50Z

But do you think that people who have higher IQs to begin with use their N function more (because they think about things more deeply), or are people who have an N function just (generally) born brighter?

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Astrology: Is it an INTJ kind of thing?

2009-10-31T02:03:11Z

What say you?

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What is your IQ?

2009-10-24T21:39:05Z

I am an INTJ, my sister is INTP. High IQs run in our family. Mine is 138, my children are both 130.

I find that people with high IQs don't see things in black-and-white or good-and-bad; seeing the duality in everything and trying to find acceptance in a society that does draw lines between 'good' and 'bad,' amongst other things, causes me to grapple with my sanity and keep my head out of the deep waters of depression.

When I visit message boards for people with above-average IQs, I see a lot of similarity in the topics and thought patterns, so I wondered if most INTJs have an above-average IQ.

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change of plan

2009-10-20T20:56:26Z

i have been (half-heartedly, really) pursuing an architecture degree but am coming to terms with the notion that i may really just be theoretically and artistically gifted in this area.. the technical side is boring!! and i really am dragging my feet, which is really unbecoming of me.. i thrive on being fired up and foused.
anyway a few days ago i had this (great?) idea.. next year i may just try something totally out of left field and begin a law degree. i've always been told i would make a great lawyer and think being a judge one day would be fantastic. i get the feeling it might be the fresh start i need to bring my aspirations back to life.
i may very well turn around with a new passion for architecture, or even complete this degree down the track some time.. i really do love it deep down, i just may not be quite mature enough yet or something :/

have you ever done something like this? would you push through the lull or just jump ship?

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Personal DNA

2009-10-13T22:22:11Z

i just took an 11-page (little pages ;D) test called Personal DNA http://www.personaldna.com/ it's pretty cool! would be cool to find out how you guys test..! here's my results for e.g.:

you are a respectful inventor.

you are an inventor

Your imagination, self-reliance, openness to new things, and appreciation for utility combine to make you an INVENTOR.

You have the confidence to make your visions into reality, and you are willing to consider many alternatives to get that done.

The full spectrum of possibilities in the world intrigues you—you're not limited by pre-conceived notions of how things should be.

Problem-solving is a specialty of yours, owing to your persistence, curiosity, and understanding of how things work.

Your vision allows you to identify what's missing from a given situation, and your creativity allows you to fill in the gaps.

Your awareness of how things function gives you the ability to come up with new uses for common objects.

It is more interesting for you to pursue excitement than it is to get caught up in a routine.

Although understanding details is not difficult for you, you specialize in seeing the bigger picture and don't get caught up in specifics.

You tend to more proactive than reactive—you don't just wait for things to come to you.

Your independent streak allows you to make decisions efficiently and to trust your instincts

You are balanced in your approach to problem-solving, not letting your emotions hold you up.

If you want to be different:

Try applying your creativity to more artistic arenas, and letting your imagination take less practical forms.

how you relate to others
you are respectful

Your reserved nature, understanding of the world, and faith in others make you RESPECTFUL.

You trust those around you to do the right thing, so you tend not to get involved in other people's affairs.

You have fewer friendships than some, but the relationships you do have are very meaningful and important to you.

Your careful and practical observation of your environment has led you to understand that others' situations can be very complex.

Because of this, you are slow to pass judgments on others, even if sometimes you can't see what it is about certain things that upsets them.

You tend to enjoy the world through ideas and reflection, which allows you to get a lot out of the time you spend alone.

Your friends would describe you as laid-back and easy-going.

As someone who is calm and centered, you aren't likely to rush into things—this patience allows you to see many different perspectives and options.

If you want to be different:

Try letting your insight into the world and trust of others allow you to understand the feelings of those around you.

While you know how much can be learned from observing your world, remember that much of life can be lived by experiencing it, not just understanding it.

Confidence LowHigh 80
Openness LowHigh 84
Extroversion LowHigh 30
Empathy LowHigh 32
Trust in others LowHigh 74
Agency LowHigh 50
Masculinity LowHigh 80
Femininity LowHigh 16
Spontaneity LowHigh 38
Attention to style LowHigh 60
Authoritarianism LowHigh 66
Earthy/Imaginative - Imaginative
Aesthetic/Functional - Functional

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Forthcoming: "The Red Book"

2009-09-30T00:02:20Z

Hey everybody,

There's a lot of chatter right now about the upcoming release of C.G. Jung's posthumous book, titled "The Red Book."

The "New York Times" article is here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/20/magazine/20jung-t.html

If you are lucky enough to live in or near New York, the Rubin Museum has a special exhibit about it:
www.rmanyc.org/nav/exhibitions/view/308

and several related events associated with the release:
www.rmanyc.org/pages/load/155

If you would like to pre-order a copy for yourself, it's available at Amazon using the link below:
http://tinyurl.com/TheRedBook

Please join us in our excitement and enthusiasm about this forthcoming release!

-Vicky Jo :-)

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INTJ - ENTJ

2009-09-12T01:07:04Z

Anyone else usually score very close to equal balance between INTJ and ENTJ, or with Introversion-Extroversion scale scores split exactly evenly between the two?

BTW, not finding an already-existing ENTJ tribe I've now established a new "ENTJ" Forum tribe at http://tribes.tribe.net/entjforum

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Right brain vs. left brain?

2009-08-26T06:19:49Z

Which side of your brain do you use the most?

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,22492511-5005375,00.html

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Envy other types?

2009-08-26T05:19:13Z

There are so many times when I would love to be an extravert. Those types can mix well at parties and have no trouble finding things to talk about off the cuff. They usually have a wide circle of friends. Extraverts are never accused of being aloof or misunderstood as snobs when in fact they're just trying to get a break and recharge.

I also envy artisans in general. Although I am an INTJ I have had a lifelong interest in and passion for the arts; sadly, although I have learned to draw and paint proficiently, I lack that special talent that is required for real originality, that X factor if you will, and I can't help but think that I would be better if I were on the S side of the S/N scale.

And finally, according to Niednagel, NTs suck at sports. It's true that I have never been into sports generally, but I had always attributed that to the fact that I was not raised in a family who followed or played sports. Now I hear that I am simply not "wired" for it at all, physically speaking. I don't know whether or not to buy into the Niednagel theory because I have recently discovered martial arts and have done well learning and advancing in a short period of time. I hope to prove him wrong by getting my black belt within one year from now.

What about you -- share these envies of mine?

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INTJs and OCD; MBTI in other species

2009-08-12T18:52:43Z

Are there any correlations available of type tied together with incidence of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorders (OCD), does anyone know?

Seems likely to me that some types would correlate more strongly than others for incidence and severity of OCD, but the real question would be whether or not in people with significant OCD their type in significant part develops out of or flows from the same organic gene/brain-based causal source as the OCD? [Yes, environmental stress factors--such as the trauma of war--can and commonly do greatly exacerbate the symptomatology of OCD, including bringing OCD into pathological expression when before it was undetectable or well within healthy adaptive bounds, yet the predisposition toward or roots of OCD seem to largely be found in brain structure & function arising from genetic influences.]

My guess is folks with INTJ type also tend to have a higher incidence of significant OCD (both as a healthy trait and in pathological excess) than do folks of other types. Many of the INTJ qualities (which can be distinct strengths in many contexts) have much in common with or overlap with aspects of OCD; maybe they are one and the same.

Another rather tangentially related --and much more idle-- question occurs to mind from the above: I have seen OCD behavior in other animal species (lab mice, parrots, cats, dogs) and indeed at least with the lab mice we definitely know it is gene-based; I wonder, has MBTI ever been applied or adapted over for any other species than humans? Surely, given the differences in personality we have all observed in the various cats and dogs in our lives whom we have known well, there must be a similar kind of sorting possible among such animals if only one knew what the relevant parameters were and how to measure them.

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INTJ but a lot of problems. Can anyone relate?

2009-08-12T18:08:51Z

Hi

From the tests that I have done I am a pretty strong INTJ. I found a post here that said INTJ's make good engineers, and I think that may make sense. I like thinking about things, analysing and am always researching topics of interest. I'm not really happy unless my brain is engaged and I'm fully absorbed in what I'm doing. I really like electronics and computers, and there are quite a few things standing in my path to do what I really want. I can see the allure of engineering, but my problem is that I'm pretty hopeless at math. I had a bad time at school (peadophile teacher) and left at a very young age (13). I never really did well at math after that, and I don't have any natural flair for it either. I can't do mental calculations, and my arithmetic is shocking. I'm very scared of it too.

So I think that how can I be INTJ and suck at math? Doesn't make sense. But that's how it is. This post was part vent, part asking for anyone who can relate or who has been in a similar situtaion and made it through. Feel free to comment. Thanks.

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Where Can an ENFP Meet an INTJ?

2009-08-05T18:52:58Z

Hello! ENFP here. So, I believe in the ENFP/INTJ match. Where can an ENFP (particularly female) meet an INTJ (particularly male) naturally? I've heard that one can do so by joining nerdy activities, but this is so out of our realm that I don't even know where to begin. Can you INTJs provide some suggestions?

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Intuitives and the future

2009-08-05T18:50:05Z

Okay so while responding to the IQ thread this lingering question in my head popped up. (Bear in mind that this is purely theory and I'm unsure of my belief in evolution itself) Are humans evolving and changing physically and mentally? Is intuition the next evolutionary leap? It's sort of an intuitive guess, but I noticed some things that back up my hypothesis. MBTI plays a big role in this though, it has been reported that sensors and intuitives are not just mentally different, but actually physiologically different in certain ways, I forgot but I think they tested putting lemon under the tongue and sensors and intuitives reacted differently to salivation. Another thing that seemingly supports my hypothesis is that intuition is on the rise, in the younger generations they are supposedly noticing an elevation of the intuitive population. I think a rise in the intuitive population is necessary to balance society, who else will prepare mankind for the future to come, different types percieve time differently, but who is better than the future oriented intuitive to lead humanity to tommorow? The way I see it society is kind of in a struggle right now, I think there are too many of certain types that are fearful of a future different from their pasts, causing an imbalance that is unhealthy to the advancement of society.

So what do you guys think?

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Is the ENFP the INTJ's perfect match?

2009-05-08T23:35:31Z

Are you in a happy, long-lasting relationship and if so, what type is your partner?

I'm an INTJ with an ENFP partner and our relationship, almost five years old, is the happiest of any couple I know, despite the fact that my personality is more traditionally masculine (logical, impersonal, forceful) and his more traditionally feminine (warm, enthusiastic, giving). We simply complement each other well - and discovering the MBTI has really helped smooth the few rough patches that we have.

Any other INTJ-ENFP matches out there? How about ridiculously happy relationships between an INTJ and a different type?

If single and INTJ, do you actively search for ENFPs?

...Do you believe that one should do so? (This question I mostly ask on behalf of my single INTJ friends.)

I look forward to hearing your input. :-)

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INTJ/ ENTP Dynamics

2009-05-04T20:09:01Z

Hello, all

I'd like to share some insights on INTJ/ ENTP dynamics, romantic and otherwise and hope that you will follow up by doing the same.

I am a male ENTP who is lucky enough to have four close INTJ-friends, three male and one female. They are all different within the INTJ-spectre though.

There is a big difference to how I interact with those four but in general I prize them all dearly due to their flair for impersonal analysis and ability to put up a good argument.

As an ENTP I have a need for intelluctual sparring and do not mind bowing to superior arguments. However the reverse also rings true: I expect people who claim to be rational to bow to superior arguments themselves. As you might expect this is somewhat of a problem for the INTJs.

Contrary to the stereotype INTJ, I do not view Will as a merit in and by itself. Clinging to your original argument, even when refuted, is not a virtue in my book. Will can get you through though times. Will can accelerate your career progression. Will cannot make you right when you are wrong.

Also, my parrents likely have an INTJ/ ENTP marriage. INTJ mother, ENTP father.

They are still married although they should not be. Their marriage failed for reasons outside of the MBTI-model, most notably my father converting to Roman Catholicism to appease my mother and his likely psychopathic condition.

I once dated an INTJ. Mentally it could have worked out but I laid her off because I did not find her attractive enough. I did not know the MBTI at that time but if I had known I might also have backed out because of the similar makeup of my parrants' marriage.

Though I do wonder: Personalitypage.com recommeds the INTJ to go with eigther the ENFP or the ENTP. Have any of your tried this INTJ/ ENTP love match? And how about friendships?

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Analysis of the INTJ-ENFP dynamic... why is it so and when is it not?

2009-04-18T04:35:33Z

So reading the posts on tribe and other message boards regarding the INTJ-ENFP chemistry got me thinking: not all INTJs (or ENFPs) prefer to go for this supposedly ideal relationship. If, given the chance to pick one's mate based on type, some INTJs choose a different type - another INTJ, an INFJ, INTP, etc. They "opt out," in a sense. The other types chosen are typically other INs, other NT's. This seems to revolve around wanting a relationship that emphasizes the intellectual connection than the emotional. Reasons typically given for opting out are that ENFPs (with all due respect) are "flighty," "too emotional," "unpredictable," "not grounded," etc. Lest anyone think I am putting down the ENFP, these are some of the characterstics I adore in the ENFP (although I wouldn't characterize an ENFP as *too* emotional - I'd say I wasn't emotional *enough*. By I digress.)

Other INTJs that opt in, as it were, and would choose an ENFP seem to do so because they aspire to have a more passionate relationship, at least outwardly so. More spontaneous, carefree, etc. They believe in the complementarity of functions that results in an INTJ-ENFP pairing.

I'm really curious as to what accounts for this difference within the INTJ ranks. Does it correllate with T-heavy INTJs versus N-heavy INTJs? Can we identify gradations and sub-types within INTJs?

PS I'm sorry for offending anyone -- INTJ, ENFP, or otherwise -- with any steretypical remark or overgeneralizations. There is a lot of room to quibble over the above remarks, but my question still stands, and that's what I want to explore.

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www.INTJ.org

2009-04-16T11:17:13Z

This is my husband's blogsite, devoted to INTJs.

It's small right now, but is expected to grow.

He makes up for a lack of quantity with high quality.

Enjoy!

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The Passionate INTJ

2009-03-31T23:49:14Z

I'm curious how many of you consider yourselves passionate - between the sheets? I was definitely not very passionate in my early years (very horny though :-) but now in my 30's the last several years have been over the top. Maybe I'm just on a lucky streak but my recent encounters have all been amazing experiences of emotional and physical intimacy. So what say you? Do feel that spark when you jump into bed with someone? (or wherever you do your thing)

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I'm NOT an INTJ!~ I'm an INFP!

2009-03-31T19:30:40Z

Hey you guys... I'm an INFP, NOT an INTJ, lite on the I and heavy on the P! so sorry! Is there another tribe for us?

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Our mascot?

2009-03-18T20:19:01Z

What would be the best mascot for the INTJs?

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Sense of humor

2009-03-08T19:08:38Z

I wrote this to a friend recently. Do any of you have the same problem?

I like a dry sense of humor, and aspire to one myself. I think as an INTJ I'm just not very good at treating jokes like jokes, even when I am able to recognize them as such. Often, someone will tell a joke, and then everyone will laugh and then I'll say "Well, actually that brings up an interesting point" which is usually greeted with groans, avoiding glances, etc.

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Presidential Types

2008-10-31T02:44:57Z

I've written an article speculating on the candidates' types and posted it to my blog at
http://tinyurl.com/PrezTypes

Enjoy! :-D

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anybody here actually INTJ

2008-09-18T02:08:34Z

Do INTJs really create thousand word postings? It just seems odd to me. I don't have the patience to read postings that are more than a few paragraphs. So why do books seem to get published on here?

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Are any other INTJs obsessed with existentialism ?

2008-08-04T21:45:48Z

Just curious :)

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Determinism

2008-07-08T16:22:04Z

Hi all, my name is Nils, like Neil, with an s. Am residing in New Zealand, Dutch genes, lived all over. Currently in my third year at university majouring in psychology (orgainisational) and doing HRM and management on the side. Strong INTJ preference.

Now to the point;

I have had heated debates with ENTP friend on free will vs free choice and to what extent it exists within determinism. It went something like;

1 He thinks free will exists, I dispute his claims by arguing influence of any kind infringes on pure freedom of will.
2 I introduce free choice, our will may be impaired, we still have a choice to call our own.
3 I argue determinism exists, free choice within it.
4 He appears to be stuck in accepting a definition of determinism and refuses to accept determinism and calls free choice a technicality of terminology.
5 I leave angered whilst cursing all phil students.

Now does determinism exist? If so why?

When I say determinism I am talking about all events existing in a totally interrelated string of cause and effect, spun into happening since the first cause. Some would say the uncaused cause is God, his creation being the first cause, others that the uncaused cause is nothing which somehow exploded into everything (first cause), causing what you see outside and what you do in your life. Now is this true? Is everything predetermined by prior causes? Hope my crude definition is clear enough.

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INTJ Dating

2008-07-04T07:03:53Z

Hello everyone! I'm a new member and this is my first post.

I'm actually am more of an IXTJ, but I still have problems with men (actually, people in general) being intimidated by me. One of my good friends said that she was intimidated by me at first. My best friend, who I've known since I was 17 (I'm 32.), said that I appear to have the whole package of beauty (thank God for make-up!), brains (it's called picking up a book and reading), and wealth (thank God for clearance racks!), and that men feel that they can't measure up.

I say/write all that because I'm in a bit of a bind. I'm interstested in a guy who I think is an ISFJ. I've dropped "bread crumbs," but the boy just hasn't grabbed a clue!!! We had a very nice conversation, and exchanged friendly emails. Then, all of a sudden, things turned from "friendly" to cordial. He's never been rude or anything like that. But, the tone of his emails changed. As a result, my did as well. The last email I sent, he never responded to it.

Even though I don't normally play into traditional gender roles, i.e. that the man should show interest first, that's what I wanted because that's the safe route for me as an introvert. When that wasn't working, I took it upon myself to make the first move, but I think that that has blown up in my face as well. It's like I can't win!

For other INTJ women, how did you meet your significant other? Did you have to make the first move? Especially if that person is a fellow introvert, how did you go about doing that?

If you're an introverted man, how did your significant other show their interest in you? Did they have to make the first move or did you "man up" and make the first move yourself? Would you consider it an assault on your manhood if a woman pursued you?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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INTJ Parent & ESFJ Child

2008-06-30T20:21:17Z

My college age daughter just took the MBT and discovered she was an ESFJ. If I had stopped to think about her in terms of this type of profile, I would not have been surprised, because it definitely highlights some of the issues we have had over the years. I probably have not been the best parent for her, because I have been fairly parsimonious with my praise, and she definitely needs to be stroked. Not that I am not proud of her, but because I don't need the praise, I have a hard time seeing the need for it in others. I'm wondering if anyone else has had this particular pairing (either in a friend of family member), and what your experiences have been.

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INTJ vs. INFJ

2008-06-28T06:33:57Z

What is the main difference between INFJs and INTJs?

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Religion...

2008-06-19T05:11:35Z

So is anyone in this group what they would consider to be religious and to a finer detail anyone follow a particular religion. - Joe

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Psychopaths?

2008-06-11T02:48:57Z

Are INTJs the M-B type most likely to be mistaken for psychopaths?

I mean no disrespect. I am an INTJ (when I'm not an INTP, that is).

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Gauging interest in an INTJ Masterminds Tele-meeting

2007-12-12T01:03:08Z

I'm polling INTJs to see whether there is interest in my hosting a regular INTJ Masterminds tele-meeting.

Will you take my poll? It's short.

Find it here:
http://tinyurl.com/2barsr

Thank you!

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autism and the INTJ

2007-12-07T21:30:14Z

i tink there's a link

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Is Everyone here an INTJ?

2007-11-22T11:14:19Z

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INTJ Personal Development

2007-11-22T11:13:25Z

As an INTJ, there's always tons of what I consider to be really interesting ideas flowing through my head, and I'd always thought it was a waste to just forget them. That's why I decided to start a personal development website for INTJs in June 2007: http://www.whatithinkabout.com. Ironically, I'd registered the domain a few years before that, but the name seems to fit so well :-) Ideas? Comments?

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y r u here?

2007-10-01T20:07:38Z

Reading posts, I can't help wondering... why are people here?

If you're intj, I suspect you're here because you find it interesting that other minds work in exactly the same perverse manner as your own. You feel compelled to analyze it and understand it and see if you can find a way to apply that knowledge. Am I correct?

If you're not an nt personality type, then I would surmise you are here for relationship advice. This, to me, seems rather strange since I have come to a couple conclusions in my brief visit here. a) only another intj can understand an intj (despite the fact that theoretically all it takes is some basic logic to deduce their thought processes b) non-intj's are reluctant to follow any of the solutions we might propose to their relationship dilemas and c) I'm not certain there is any real correlation between personality type and relational compatibility (that is, I think other factors are dominate in determining the success of a relationship).

As for me, my C++ project has grown so large that it now takes over an hour to compile, I've already read a significant portion of wikipedia waiting for it compile (that "Random selection" button is a god send... it has me salivating like one of Pavlov's dogs) and I find myself looking for some more gratuitous information to digest. Someone in another thread suggested a book on Chaos Theory (I think) and actually that sound rather interesting since I did enjoy the course on random variables and stochastic processes back in college. But, this strikes me as a more interesting real-world experiment in stochastic processes since one can apply an input and potentially see some bit of coherence rise from the white noise of the internet.

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INTJ's where are you?

2007-09-28T23:52:40Z

Shalom All !
who's where . . . (if you don't mind. . . ) i'm in Washington, DC

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do INTJs make the first move?

2007-09-28T23:35:50Z

Where / How is an ENFP female supposed to find an INTJ guy to get to know? (my best friend, an ENFP, cannot find INTJs anywhere) should she like go & hang out at the Apple Store or should she just like stand over by the computer / sci fi magazine section at Borders & wait . . . what's she supposed to do? will you guys be scared if she approaches you first? if you thought she was cute & interesting would you approach her? oh . . . what to do???????

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what is your galactic signature?

2007-09-22T23:34:13Z

http://www.astrodreamadvisor.com/free_mayan_readings.html#

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Birthdays

2007-08-16T05:09:35Z

How do fellow INTJs feel about their own birthday? Is it something you celebrate or something you would prefer others not make a fuss over?

Relatedly, how do you feel about celebrating someone else's birthday, or the obligation to recognize it?

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INTJs: How do you dress?

2007-08-16T05:05:42Z

Do you care how you dress? At certain times do you like to make an impression and other times you don't care? Are there things you like to wear all of the time? Do you have a particular style of dress?

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No Exit

2007-07-30T16:58:24Z

"Hell is other people." - Jean Paul Sartre.

Agree? Why or why not?

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Radical Honesty

2007-07-30T16:42:57Z

First, see http://www.esquire.com/features/honesty0707

I'm not sure if this idea is too new-age/crackpot-ish or something that's right up my alley as an INTJ. Whatever it is, it's totally impractical and goes against human nature.

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earthlings and martians

2007-07-21T01:04:38Z

i came across http://users.viawest.net/~keirsey/difference.html recently.
has any one any thoughts on David Keirsey's likening of intuitives to 'martians'?

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rocknroll

2007-07-19T15:10:02Z

who are the INTJ rockstars?

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INTJ's As Lawyers?

2007-05-28T17:01:09Z

any thoughts on intj's as lawyers...

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New axis

2007-05-10T16:14:32Z

I have been thinking, not altogether toungue-in-cheek, about a 5th axis, namely, viz., and to wit:

Perky (P) to Curmudgeon (C)

I am proudly an INTJ(C)

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INTJ and Logical Integrity

2007-04-29T20:40:57Z

From
http://www.tribe.net/thread/f0c66dbf-ce59-42e3-bf2e-706a8c971ce1?tribeid=a795e312-625b-4a1f-8ab1-944074885d7f

>This (solidarity) only works when people respond
>to a perceived injustice en masse.

Agreed. I suppose this is the part where things broke down for me, seeing that as an unlikely scenerio... in this particular instance with people choosing en masse to not marry.

>Indeed, change will come anyway, with or without us.
>When the dust settles, I want to be able to know I
>chose right over privilege.

Now that completelty strikes resonance with with my perception INTJ 'spirit'.
Whether or not results are achieved by your actions... you are maintaining ideological integrity.... something I often see other types be completely wishwashy about... changing opinions and actions with however they feel at a given moment, outside of natural rational outcomes of their given belief sets or the facts.

In my own personal experience, if there's anything I find gets in the way of my achieving desirable results in a given situation... it's the desire to be on the side of 'right', or to be 'logicaly integrous'. When you mentioned earlier about INTJ's having different kinds of feelings, my thoughts came to this particular idea... as I notice most of my bad feelings come about when in observence of breaches of logical integrity.

A trivial example: I used to have a personal profile on Myspace.com, until Foxnews corp. bought the site. Personally I disagree with the policies of that corporation and I think they are contributing to a dangerous situation in the world. Hence, I posted a final bulletin regarding that issue and removed my profile information. It's unfortunate because I'm overseas now and the site was very convenient for keeping up with the vast bulk of my friends and vice versa. While I'm aware my action produces no significant result in the grand scheme of things and I lose out... to remain 'logically integrous' I had little other choice.

What disturbed me most is that the most vocal and outspoken liberal friends (mostly SF types) simply shrugged the matter off or even became apologists for Foxnews which they've previously demonized, saying "well Fox isn't going to change the site.. so it's okay." As if needlessly contributing to the revenue of a company you deem unethical and immoral is okay as long as they don't tamper with the statous quo. A crime of logic which seems to be a luxury for other types... but if I'm going to rationalize as an INTJ I had better come up with something more acceptable than that.

After reading your example and reflecting on personal experience, this seems to be a familiar pattern observable in my other 1-2 INTJ friends as well.

Sacrficing benefits for ideological integrity.
or
Sacrificing relationships to win an arguement.
or
Sacrificing time, energy, etc on things which don't necessarily produce results... but make us 'right'.

The question annoys the hell out of me but sometimes I have to ask "Do I want to be right or do I want to be happy?"

Anyone else notice that pattern?

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Anyone else ever test INTJ one time and INTP another?

2007-03-29T19:41:21Z

I was seeing a psychologist recently and he said the difference between the two didn't amount to much. Not that there was no difference, but simply that it's not something I should concern myself about.
Anyone else tested both ways?

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INTJ authors/poets

2007-03-28T17:34:59Z

Who are they?
I've tested as INTP and as INTJ but the latter seems the more likely result. I struggle with my writing (-though I've had some success) and often think of the advice I hear this way: "It would be fine if I could do that, but my mind doesn't work that way."

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INTJ/INTJ

2007-03-28T05:58:06Z

Is it possible to altnernate between these types? When I take the test I get either of these...

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How do you earn a living?

2007-03-26T12:34:20Z

I'm curious... Are you working in a field that suits you? That makes the best use of your intellectual ability?

Or do you grow tired of resolving everyone else's problems only to see your hard work fall by the wayside because they (the other people involved) didn't follow-through with the plan, and work instead in a position in which you pretty much only have to worry about your own responsibilities? (Most people say they want to improve something in their lives, but aren't willing to change the attitudes and behaviors that hold them back.)

I'm an Organizational Management Consultant.

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Do you overwhelm people?

2007-03-24T02:37:10Z

I tend to really engage with what I am reading or viewing and I have strong thought about what's presented and could talk about it for hours. I am not averse to disagreement and actually like to stay with something a long time. I find that most of the people I hang with get fatigued with too much discussion and their eyes gaze over and I need to stop way before I think we have plumbed the depths. Can anyone relate to this? I think its the TJ in us.

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INTJ listening skills?

2007-03-23T08:22:58Z

I'm not too sure how good mine are. Because I rely so heavily on my intuition sometimes I find myself really struggling when taking in information from others. I get figgety and weird; feel like I'm not absorbing enough of what they are telling me.

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Hierarchy of conditions for perfect matches

2007-01-19T19:50:42Z

There is a lot of different information out there regarding romantic compatibility between types. Among others, I know of the following theories of perfect matches:

- Opposites attract (INTJ + ESFP, ISTP + ENFJ etc.)

- Keirsey: Opposites attract, but N or S must be the same (INTJ + ENFP, ISTP + ESFJ etc.)

- Personalitypage: The dominant function must be shared, but oppositely directed (INTJ with Introverted Intuition + ENFP _or_ ENTP since both have Extraverted Intuition, ISTP with Introverted Thinking + ESTJ _or_ ENTJ since both have Extraverted Thinking)

Based on my own observations, I believe that Keirsey has it right when he insists that N or S should be the same. I also believe that Personalitypage is correct in emphasizing the importance of having the same dominant function. Finally, I believe that, as long as the basic language (N or S) and interest (dominant function) are the same, opposites do indeed attract and complement one another.

I therefore propose the following hierarchy of relationship matches:

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Condition 1: The dominant function must be the same, but oppositely directed.
Condition 2: The perceiving function (N or S) must be the same.

If possible once these conditions are met, the judging function (T or F) should be different.

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This leads to the following eight optimal matches:

INTJ-ENFP (Dominant function: Intuition, T and F opposite)
ENTP-INFJ (Dominant function: Intuition, T and F opposite)
ISTJ-ESFP (Dominant function: Sensing, T and F opposite)
ESTP-ISFJ (Dominant function: Sensing, T and F opposite)
INTP-ENTJ (Dominant function: Thinking)
ISTP-ESTJ (Dominant function: Thinking)
ENFJ-INFP (Dominant function: Feeling)
ESFJ-ISFP (Dominant function: Feeling)

---

I'd love to hear any thoughtful comments.

Also, if anyone is aware of a source who has already published this hierarchy, please let me know.

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Lifepaths Tribe

2006-12-09T02:52:54Z

I invite you all to check out the kindred Lifepaths Tribe: http://lifepaths.tribe.net/

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Please Understand Me II

2006-12-09T02:32:36Z

A highly recommended book offering invaluable insight for all types! -M

Please Understand Me II: Temperament Character Intelligence
by David Keirsey, Ray Choiniere (Foreword by)

From the Publisher
For the past twenty years Keirsey has continued to investigate personality differences — to refine his theory of the four temperaments and to define the facets of character that distinguish one from another. His findings form the basis of Please Understand Me II, an updated and greatly expanded edition of the book, far more comprehensive and coherent than the original, and yet with much of the same easy accessibility. One major addition is Keirsey's view of how the temperaments differ in the intelligent roles they are most likely to develop. Each of us, he says, has four kinds of intelligence — tactical, logistical, diplomatic, strategic — though one of the four interests us far more than the others, and thus gets far more practice than the rest. Like four suits in a hand of cards, we each have a long suit and a short suit in what interests us and what we do well, and fortunate indeed are those whose work matches their skills. As in the original book, Please Understand Me II begins with The Keirsey Temperament Sorter, the most used personality inventory in the world. But also included is The Keirsey Four-Types Sorter, a new short questionnaire that identifies one's basic temperament and then ranks one's second, third, and fourth choices. Share this new sorter with friends and family, and get set for a lively and fascinating discussion of personal styles.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9781885705020&itm=1

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weddings -- don't get 'em.

2006-11-22T22:24:04Z

I'm pretty sure this is an INTJ thing. Anybody else have particular difficulty with emotional understanding of what a wedding accomplishes? I mean, if couple's still together after a few decades, friends and family will eventually catch on that the relationship has a certain stability and consistency about it. Why bother with the invitations and the dress and all that weird hoopla? It strikes me as particularly odd that people would think it makes sense to take "till death do us part" vows when such a high percentage of marriages end well before anybody bothers to die. So it's kind of like standing up before your community and knowing you might or might not be lying, but you do it anyway, and then all of the people who also know you may or may not be lying clap, and there are many pictures.

Okay, I'm being kind of goofy, but, uh, just wondering if this one stumps other INTJ's.

BTW, I am generally very good to my friends who are getting married. Had a gaggle of the gals here earlier this week, working on friend Anna's wedding invitations. Even made fresh mango lassis for us. Still didn't get it, exactly, why the muggles care so much about the pennmanship on the wedding invites, but I love her, so I did my best.

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Happiest towns for INTJs?

2006-11-22T22:09:36Z

I'm likely to move soon.

I'm curious to know *where* you folks have been happiest in your adult lives. (And why, if the why is related to the place.)

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How INTJ are you?

2006-11-22T22:02:10Z

I'm so INTJ I can't cook without a recipe and measuring cups, just can't wing it. But tonight I almost didn't make Margaritas because I didn't have a recipe or a shot glass. Almost, it was hard but I did it. I'm so proud of myself!

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People drive you crazy?

2006-11-18T15:52:50Z

How do you deal with it when people are driving you crazy? I always get in these conversations with people (mostly online), and they come up with some of the craziest reasoning I've ever heard. I've learned it's usually pointless to argue, but I'm not good at backing off when I think I'm right about something. (All the time...) :-)

Does this get on anyone else's nerves?

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ENFJ/INTJ

2006-09-20T18:08:15Z

Hello,

Does anyone have any experience with a relationship between an ENFJ and INTJ? It doesn't necessarily have to be romantic. I'm curious about how this relationship plays out. I would think that the common NJ would make this easier between the two types, but I tend to see more comments about ENFP/INTJ relationships than anything else. And someone posted about ENTP/INTJ relationships (which I'm also curious about), but there aren't any responses.

I look foward to hearing from everyone! :)

Crystal

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trends in education

2006-09-18T17:48:43Z

I'm thinking about changing careers and am looking into various online degree programs. My search has been mainly in IT and business fields. I thought online degrees would suit me perfectly. As an INTJ, school is my thing, and I do it best on my own. But what I keep finding in online programs is quite alarming. I keep finding schools that are deliberately trying to create "cohorts" and "communities" in their online degree programs. Those programs require group projects or require that you take all classes at the same time as a group of other people. As an INTJ, that would hinder my education instead of enhance it. Because I work in higher education, I had already noticed these trends in traditional face-to-face classes, but I had not realized it had creeped into online offerings.

Have any of you noticed these same trends? How have you dealt with them? How does an INTJ take the qualities that make them a good student (free thought, independence, and ability to analyze) and fit them into an educational program that is contrived to favor people who learn by talking?

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INTJ - INTJ Relationships

2006-08-15T18:31:58Z

What are the pitfalls of having a relationship with another INTJ?
Are there any "not so obvious" good point to such relationships?

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blast from the past

2006-08-15T14:57:28Z

Whoa. I just ran across this from the list I founded, reminding me of all the hilarious times we had. Maybe I should rejoin......

http://intjlist.org/modules/content/index.php?id=15

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What about kids?

2006-07-04T04:07:00Z

I just found out that my older son is *gasp* an Artisan, and while it's a relief to know this (I no longer have to spew rational discourses until I'm blue in the face because I know now that it's completely futile), I'm having a hard time with this. He won't do anything unless he's got a lot of emotional involvement. It's almost as bad as being around my birth family, with one Guardian parent and Artisan parent.

How do other people approach family members of these types? I find it really draining to try to outpour positive emotions all the time.

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INTJs as Libertarians

2006-03-10T20:19:57Z

I am a want to be Libertarian.

also, within Libertarian, how many think open source is going to win / bring the most progress vs. DRM.
I am for open source software / content.

also, how many are for price discrimination? I am against it, the way the airlines do it.

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Your strongest letter(s)?

2006-02-26T03:03:59Z

Do some of your letters seem to "fit" more than others?
Does degree of "fit" correlate with your numeric scores?

Without looking up my own exact scores, I remember:

I: I'm strongly I
N: very strongly N
T: mildly T
J: mildly J

My T(F) and J(P) are practically on the cusps. And yet, the INTJ descriptions fit me the best, by far. (And *S* personalities are the most challenging to me.)

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What is Storm Palace?

2006-02-15T05:51:07Z

One of the posts here referred to INTJs reading their "Storm Palace subscription" - but I can't find out what it is, despite Googling. Anyone know?

Thanks

Glyn

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Partner Choices

2005-10-18T10:00:20Z

I am an INTJ. My husband is an ENFP. We complement each other well, yet our obvious personality differences cause us to butt heads quite often. I tend to gravitate toward the Es and Fs, which seems to balance my I and T well, yet at the same time causes problems. Have you noticed a pattern in your partner choices? If you have a current partner, what personality type is s/he? If you are both INTJs, how has this created stability or chaos in your relationship? If you are a different type, what commonalities do you observe and what differences do you have to work with?

Let me tell you, it has been very challenging being married to an ENFP!

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INTJ advice rocks

2005-09-08T23:04:17Z

Had a problem. Asked for INTJ advice on this site. Someone emailed, offering to try to help. If you have not had the experience of getting advice from another INTJ, I highly recommend it. People are always coming to me for help with their love lives, career paths, whatever. When I have a problem, not usually so sure where to turn. Turn to your fellow INTJ's. Thanks, CC.

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Invitation to Rational types

2005-03-30T21:42:20Z

Just wanted to share about another tribe:

http://xntx.tribe.net/

It is a gathering for all Rational "NT" types ENTP, INTP, ENTJ, INTJ

I know there are already individual tribes for each type, but this one brings all the "cousins" together of the same tempermant. It could generate some interesting discussions of people who are "the same but slightly different".

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Guess Sam's sign Part II

2005-01-30T07:47:18Z

I'm going to have to say....Leo.

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Guess Sam's sign...

2005-01-30T07:46:04Z

I'm thinking Capricorn because he has a controlled exterior of positive skepticism blanketing an undercurrent of doubtful romanticism....

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S.E.X. and the I.N.T.J.

2004-12-29T15:49:37Z

So two INTJs meet in bar, ok..., an art gallery. They are having a great conversation about the Jungian influence on the post impressionist (what ever that means). They discover that they're both INTJ and the sparks fly. Time flies, they're getting into it hot and heavy and suddenly they see that they are the only ones left in the gallery and it’s closing time. They turn and look at each other.
The first one says, "I know what you're thinking."
The second one says, "Yeah, I know what you're thinking too.”
The first one says, “Well then how about it?”
The second replies, “No. I need to think about it, first.”
The first nods, “Hmm, You’re right, I need to think about it too.”

Isn’t that hilarious?
I know. I just made it up. It needs work.

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Ah ha! Validation!

2004-12-24T13:32:31Z

"Bookstores rated NYC's best pickup spot"

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/books/12/23/bookstores.dating.reut/index.html

The best bit is at the end:

<<Among the survey's other findings: 42 percent of those polled said they thought the best way to ring in the New Year was "at home, enjoying a quiet evening for two.">>

Not only am I not alone, there's a lot of people who think this sounds like a good idea, even in icky New York! Of course, I pretty much think it's a good idea *every day*, but hey, take what I can get...

(I'm cross-posting this to INTP as well since I'm 50/50 P/J. :) )

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Deepak Chopra and Dean Ornish tickets for this Saturday!

2004-11-09T05:56:27Z

Hi everyone,

I have a pair of tickets to a health expo this Saturday, Nov. 13 in San Francisco. Are you interested in taking them off my hands? I would love to sell them for $20 each (that's below the face value). Please let me know if you are interested.

Here's a little more about the event:

KCBS radio launches HealthWatch 2004, a heath and wellness expo, with keynote speakers Dr. Deepak Chopra and Dean Ornish on Saturday, Nov 13, 10 a.m. to 4 p.m., at the Nob Hill Masonic Center in San Francisco. This comprehensive health and wellness event will provide the public with a rare opportunity to explore a wide variety of mind and body issues with renowned medical and nutritional experts from around the country speaking all under one roof. From heart health, stress related problems, diets and nutrition, to fertility issues and laser eye surgery and much more, HealthWatch 2004 offers the public the chance to gather a wealth of information in one place in order to make informed and healthy lifestyle choices.

The Nob Hill Masonic Center is located at 1111 California Street in San Francisco. For details, see www.masonicauditorium.com/

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Enneagram

2004-09-24T20:43:22Z

If you know your enneagram type, please post. I am a five - http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/TypeFive.asp. The description seems very compatible with being an INTJ.

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"Halls of Healing" A New Free Game to Play

2004-09-20T20:08:50Z

Everyone...there is a new psi game up at www.psiarcade.com called "Halls of Healing" that is a blast to play. Doing so will also help the team there to collect data which they can analyze on things that pertain to distance healing. It is easy to play. Please check it out.

--shachick

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Blah

2004-09-08T02:31:00Z

I'm sure we all know about the value of gifted programs for kids who are understimulated at school, but what about when they grow up and are understimulated at work?

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Awesome!

2004-07-27T06:09:20Z

*gasp* So many INTJs! We are one of the rarer personality types, so it is great to see over 90 of us here!

I'm a new member to this group, so I thought I'd say hello and stuff. Hello and stuff!

-Dave

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Doubts

2004-07-23T21:04:24Z

Hm. Ever since I was introduced to MB typing, I've had a suspicion that I'm not actually an INTJ. Or not a classic one anyway. I just took the Humanmetrics test again and I tested as an INFP. The description seems to suit me pretty well, too. Questions:

• I'm in a pretty f-d up state at the moment emotionally — I'm sure that would affect the score, but that much?
• How 'accurate' is the test (any test and Humanmetrics' in particular), understanding that personality is amorphous and description of it are necessarily fuzzy?
• Is it common for people to fall between types? Or am I just a freak?
• Now that I've come out as possibly one of them, are y'all gonna kick my ass out of here?

Thanks for any insight you might have...

John

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Relationships

2004-07-22T21:34:56Z

Romantic Relationships are supposed to be the achilles heel of INTJ personalities -- is this something you agree with? How are we supposed to cope?

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New to this - want to clear up something

2004-07-06T23:20:36Z

Hi everyone!

I am new to this tribe, so forgive me if I seem a bit out of date here. The keirsey personality tests interest me greatly, as I feel that it does match my personality. But there is one thing I like to clear up, I find that INTJ's are good initiators, visionaries but are not good executors. Its the execution that causes the problem for most people, especially me. Does this fit your personality? If it does, have you found a way to combat this? Please do share, as I would love to hear your strategies in tackling challenges and projects...

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by the way....

2004-06-04T07:03:01Z

new girl alert!

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Seattle Blast...

2004-06-03T14:33:32Z

We had a freak blast over here... I am thinking a meteor...

Thank goodness it didn't level everything like Tunguska...

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My TYPE intelligence theory (within ea. Temperament)

2004-02-03T09:09:30Z

While I recognize ever more the limitations of the MBTI matrix as a description for real individuals - so much individualizing information is necessarily unaccounted for and it seems clear to me that we have "ranges" and tendencies (based on strength of each variable) rather than ironclad types, though it makes it harder to predict others - the INTP in me relishes the relationships that can be inferred within the context of the matrix. Really, just because the functions change with combinations of attributes does not mean people can't exhibit more than one combination on different occassions. We are complex beings.

An idea of which I am particularly fond is that if Keirsey temperaments may be understood as intelligence orientations, a pattern of sub-orientations appears to emerge within each temperament.

http://keirsey.com/matrix.html
http://keirsey.com/personality/nt.html
http://keirsey.com/personality/nf.html
http://keirsey.com/personality/sp.html
http://keirsey.com/personality/sj.html

It's important to realize that the temperaments are based on the generalization of tendencies toward "abstractness" versus "concreteness" or intuitive versus sensorial direction of attention and communication (N/S) and cooperative versus utilitarian implementation of goals (NF, SJ v. NT, SP).

From there, an area of skill or intelligence is defined (reasonably well, I think) in the following categories:

Guardians: Logistical Provision (Concrete-Cooperative)
Artisans: Tactical Variation (Concrete-Utilitarian)
Idealists: Diplomatic Integration (Abstract-Cooperative)
Rationals: Strategic Analysis (Abstract-Utilitarian)

These categories are further divided by T/F for Sensorial Temperaments and P/J for Intuitives into (introverts and extroverts are in the same categories):

Guardians: T-Administrators, F-Conservators
Artisans: T-Operators, F-Entertainers
Idealists: P-Advocates, J-Mentors
Rationals: P-Engineers, J-Coordinators

Now - I find colors to be helpful in the next step. These are somewhat arbitrary - as are the type names, but they are the way I learned them. I will subdivide the types in each temperament into subtemperament based on skill or intelligence attributes. Remember that I'm only hypothesizing each particularly type is a __(blank)__ type of _(insert Temperament)_ intelligence/skill.

* Guardians ("Gold") - seeks DUTY/Security
Supervisor ESTJ (Orange-Gold, or Tactical V. of Logistic P.)
Inspector ISTJ (Green-Gold, or Strategic A. of Logistic P.)
Provider ESFJ (Blue-Gold, or Diplomatic I. of Logistic P.)
Protector ISFJ (Gold-Gold, or Logistic P. of Logistic P.)

* Artisans ("Orange") seeks FREEDOM/Sensation
Promoter ESTP (Orange-Orange, or Tactical V. of Tactical V.)
Crafter ISTP (Green-Orange, or Strategic A. of Tactical V.)
Performer ESFP (Gold-Orange, or Logistic P. of Tactical V.)
Composer ISFP (Blue-Orange, or Diplomatic I. of Tactical V.)

* Idealists ("Blue") seeks HARMONY/Identity
Teacher ENFJ (Gold-Blue, or Logistic P. of Diplomatic I.)
Counselor INFJ (Green-Blue, or Strategic A. of Diplomatic I.)
Champion ENFP (Orange-Blue, or Tactical V. of Strategic I.)
Healer INFP (Blue-Blue, or Diplomatic I. of Diplomatic I.)

* Rationals ("Green") seeks EXCELLENCE/Knowledge
Fieldmarshal ENTJ (Blue-Green, or Diplomatic I. of Strategic A.)
Mastermind INTJ (Gold-Green, or Logistic P. of Strategic A.)
Inventor ENTP (Green-Green, or Strategic A. of Strategic A.)
Architect INTP (Orange-Green, or Tactical V. of Strategic A.)

The reiterative ones iNFp, iSfJ, eStP, and eNTp I think of as hypertemperaments. The hardest ones for me to distinguish were INTP and ENTP - I couldn't tell for a while which would be Orange-Green and which Green-Green, until I looked at what the temperaments sought and realised the compensatory narscisism associated with an extreme ENTP ("look how many books I wrote!") is really a breakneck striving for excellence, while the schiziod hermitude of an extreme INTP is really a desire for freedom (from people, distractions, even outcomes or uses of information) in the quest for a "universal" mastery (ok, really just familiarity) of knowledge or systems.

INTJs are truly strange brew, as are any of the types whose subtemperaments have the exact opposite attributes (N/S, C,U)as those of their main temperaments. I see some of the promient INTJs as laying the intellectual foundations for the kind of excellence they admire, and some as driving through a development that was extremely important to them. Honestly, I only have had strong INTJ tendencies in two projects during my lifetime as-of-yet (the complete revision of a dysfunctional Student Government into an inclusive and project-oriented Student Leadership Council and the development of a MetaBrain Growth Process, which I may prove to be my life's work).

I saw other patterns when I was heavily into this stuff last winter, but none are nearly as interesting. The MBTI system, for all its flaws and limitations, has helped me understand and appreciate different kinds of people.

Feel free to post and reactions or new perspectives on the topic of MBTI systematicity!

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INTJs who are also HSPs?

2004-01-02T06:20:55Z

I'm both.
I wonder whether it's a common combination.

(HSP = highly sensitive person)

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