Happiest towns for INTJs?

topic posted Thu, June 3, 2004 - 6:01 PM by  Francesca
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I'm likely to move soon.

I'm curious to know *where* you folks have been happiest in your adult lives. (And why, if the why is related to the place.)
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Francesca
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  • Re: Happiest towns for INTJs?

    Thu, June 3, 2004 - 9:31 PM
    I'm not going to say Seattle... I live here because it is the opposite of where I grew-up (the desert on the other side of the state). I do miss the intellectual camaradarie of growing up in a town that has a National Laboratory nearby...

    :-)

    However, I will say I like the melting pot of cultures.
  • Re: Happiest towns for INTJs?

    Fri, June 4, 2004 - 1:50 AM
    Happiest - Boston - lots of educated people, cleaner air (than Toronto), lots of cultural things to do.
    Unhappiest - Dublin. I won't get started into it here, but the sole reason I'm here and will likely remain here for the long term is my career.
    • Re: Happiest towns for INTJs?

      Fri, June 4, 2004 - 7:51 PM
      re: Boston. Cambridge, especially.

      I don't live there, but during a visit with some friends I really felt comfortable, especially just hanging around Harvard Square. Great bookstores...it doesn't hurt that MIT and Harvard are right there.
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    Re: Happiest towns for INTJs?

    Fri, June 4, 2004 - 6:34 AM
    I've lived in LA, New York, San Francisco, London, Edinburgh, Minneapolis, Toledo, Spain, Portland, and now Seattle. My happiest times were in San Francisco and Toledo, Spain. However, I'd say the city I've been the most impressed by is Portland. It's the only town I've lived in that seems to have its collective act together. Seattle is a disaster, enough to drive any INTJ crazy. Avoid Seattle.

    Am I the only INTJ who is totally fascinated by mass transit networks, particularly trains?
    • Re: Happiest towns for INTJs?

      Fri, June 4, 2004 - 4:53 PM
      The only problem I have with Seattle is the large amount of self-proclaimed intellectuals...

      "gee, wow, another person with a political soap box... how original..."
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        Re: Happiest towns for INTJs?

        Fri, June 4, 2004 - 5:51 PM
        Seattle is the stupidest city in the United States. For example, one time, I saw this news story on the TV about the Alaska Way Viaduct and a public hearing they had on replacing the infernal thing (for those who don't know, the Viaduct is this massive, ugly, pointless double decker freeway that blights downtown Seattle and was damaged BADLY in the last quake [when you drive on it, you can literally feel the concrete crumbling away beneath your car]). They interviewed this annoying lady from Emunclaw or Federal Way or some other stupid surburb out there, who came to the hearing to voice her opinion that "they should keep the existing Viaduct because I like the view when I'm driving on it." I just looked at her and thought, "Lady, who the fuck cares what you think?! I hope you're driving on it when it collapses on top of you." See, this is representative of the stupidest thing about Seattle - the endless process to get any massive public work off the ground. The Viaduct is being held up by wooden support splints, engineers are warning everyone that it'll tumble in the next quake, and they're holding feel good public meetings to discuss what they should do to replace the infernal thing! Same thing with the light rail line - approved by voters in 1996, they're just started to build the thing this year. God knows if we'll actually ever see the monorail! It's soooo frustrating. Every half-wit in Washington State has to be given an opportunity to voice their opinion on EVERYTHING, money, a rare commodity in this, the economic Romania of North America, gets burned fighting back and forth about it, and nothing gets built - oh, except new stadiums that the voters totally voted down but they went ahead and built anyway. It drives me crazy and really riles up my dictatorial instincts. Don't get me started on the whole initiative process. There's no logic or understanding of the overall picture here! Meanwhile, Portland finishes their latest light rail line 4 months early and a million American dollars under budget. Way to go Portland. Portland really lives up to it's motto, it truly is "The City That Works."

        As far as intellectuals are concerned, you should check out Minneapolis. I've never encountered as many Foucault worshipers as I have in the Twin Cities. Now if they'd just spend a little more of all that thinking time on their wardrobes...
        • Re: Happiest towns for INTJs?

          Fri, June 4, 2004 - 6:03 PM
          I remember them telling my parents they wouldn't have to pay for the kingdome... we lived in the desert on the other side... and they still hadn't finished paying for that damn thing when they tore it down when I was an adult.

          The Alaskan viaduct does have a great view... I've never seen anything equal except Manhattan... or the Washington Mall...

          Now about light rail, the concept was good but the politicians skimming money off of it are not.

          The Monorail was cool to ride on as a child, but it recently caught fire. Ouch! People were stuck above ground where they couldn't get off.

          So in a sense, you are correct... but it does sound like you might be either over-generalizing a bit or being ad hominem which would not be entirely rational.


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            Re: Happiest towns for INTJs?

            Fri, June 4, 2004 - 6:16 PM
            Seattle is a large city. Large cities must provide adequate means of transit for their citizens if they wish to maintain stable, growing economies. Seattle has the worst public transportation I've ever seen and there is not much space left for expanding the freeways through the geographical bottleneck on which the city is built. Obviously, Seattle needs some sort of genuine mass transit - trains of some kind, to shuttle people back and forth. Why people here are so opposed to this I do not know why.

            The Alaska Way Viaduct may have cool views, but so what? There are cool views all over town. By tearing it down, you open up downtown to the waterfront and make available tons of space for redevelopment as live/work space or more office development. Check out what tearing down the Embarcadero freeway did for downtown SF. Frankly, I don't get it. The views are OK, but they're hardly jaw dropping.

            The monorail fire was the first fire the thing experienced in 42 years of service. No one was hurt or killed as a result. Other than this minor fire, the monorail has performed exceptionally well. Besides, the new monorail (if they build the damn thing) will be far safer.

            Light rail - no arguments from me on the political end but it's not like fighting off the Tim Eyman inititive of the month gave them anything better to do but suck up money since they weren't allowed to build it for 8 years. Had they built it - we wouldn't have to have voted in a whole new organization to build the monorail - now that's logic.

            Like I said, I'm frustrated and want to push all the naysayers and feel good NIMBY's into the nearest caldera. I just want them to go away, so we can get these projects off the flipping ground aleady.
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    Re: Happiest towns for INTJs?

    Sun, June 6, 2004 - 12:51 PM
    I think it's important to find the right area in any town. I grew up in the suburbs of St. Paul, but preferred Mineapolis. I lived in NYC for several years on the upper east side. I really liked living in the Hillcrest area of San Diego. Now I'm in Orange County and I'm thinking that Corona del mar would fit me the best.

    In any city, look for the things that make you feel comfortable. For example, an area where you can walk to a local pub, a book store, a coffee shop, a convenience store. I like areas where the people are a little off beat, liberal, and accepting of diverse cultures which you usually find in neigborhood pockets of large cities.
  • Re: Happiest towns for INTJs?

    Tue, July 6, 2004 - 3:19 PM
    Happiest town for INTJs... Probably best to stay away from small towns - small-town mentality, lack of stimulation, small-mindedness. (I live in a small, remote community and feel like I'm suffocating.)

    Maybe the correct term would be 'city.' So, as for the best city, you'll have to take into account the kind of work you enjoy and your lifestyle. I like to look at the job boards to see which cities tend to have the most listings for my field, then do some searches for the scenes I like, and check-out some regional message boards/networks.

    Be careful about cities that have a reputation for being liberal or diverse, because they often get stuck in that paradigm, and don't welcome alternate views, and you may not find a group you'll "click" with. I find it difficult to find friends who can truly live by the creeds, "live and let live" and "do unto others as you would have done unto you."
    • Re: Happiest towns for INTJs?

      Fri, July 14, 2006 - 2:22 PM
      I'll take a stab at this one: Raleigh/Durham, NC
      Why? It offers everything that would interest an INTJ
      (strong employment opportunities that focus on science and technology; 2 outstanding universities; a wide variety of special interests)
      BTW, I am not from NC; I live in a red state smack dab in the middle of the country...
  • Re: Happiest towns for INTJs?

    Tue, July 18, 2006 - 9:24 AM

    The first: My opinions;
    Either remote towns as a tourist (Ballymote IE, Bar Harbor, ME) or in A snooty suburb of a large city
    The first because people are friendly without being invasive. You're not going to be lifelong friends (in most cases) and everyone can be themselves.
    The second is because people are so self-involved they don't care what or who you are and when you call them asses to their faces they either 1)Don't care or 2) put on a show so funny they usually get hauled away for it.

    I like natural settings, bronze age sites/studies, historical tours and personal research opportunities. I live near Worcester,MA which is like a small ethic neighborhood with other neighborhoods glued on. Ten + Colleges, plenty of parking, two world-class museums, nationally outstanding recycling program.
  • Re: Happiest towns for INTJs?

    Wed, November 22, 2006 - 2:09 PM
    I lived in several different cities in Washington state, most recently Seattle, and I'd have to say that I never really liked Washington all that much. I plan to visit there sometime because of some people I know who still live there, but I don't plan on ever moving back to Washington. I currently live in Knoxville, TN and like it better here. But probably not all INTJ's would like it here. I guess it's the university I like here, and the fact that the people in general seem nice and easier to befriend than in Seattle.

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