http://intj.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#7c8ed1b6-3cb1-4618-9b35-767344ad8b54 Thanks Peter, I resent the nerdy title too and one would never apply that to me if they'd met me in person Wed, 05 Aug 2009 18:52:58 GMT http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#7c8ed1b6-3cb1-4618-9b35-767344ad8b54 coco 2009-08-05T18:52:58Z http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#33b052ca-5276-49f4-8d5d-b8dae15fdb43 sorry I didn't really stay on subject here, but where to meet an intj.... That's a tough question because personally I do not go out much and when I do it's usually going over to hang out with a small group of friends play some poker drink and smoke, or the wider circle of aquaintences for large parties. It's rare that I go out and meet people I don't know. Once in a while you might catch me at barnes and nobles, usually in the "new age" section (most intjs probably won't be there though). So being that we are rather rare in society and that we don't go out much to socialize, meeting an intj is probably very rare. I think meeting enfps is rare too, at my last job I think the only enfp I knew in the whole building was a dude. I resent that nerdy things though, I admit i wear glasses and am fairly intelligent, but I didn't grow up watching star trek, being in the school band, and joining chess club. I grew up riding bikes, skates, martial arts(and a bit of scrapping here and there), smokin weed, turntables and a mixer were my musical instruments, drifting my cars, snowboarding, and go pedding were my sports, and believe it or not for an intj I probably have more experience with women than most my age. I was actually one of the bad ones if you can believe it. Don't stereotype the intj, it would be alot more likely to see me playing poker at a casino, or hitting the slopes than being at a star wars convention(never been actually). I hope this gives you insight into how intjs really are. and yes I am an intj for sure before someone says are you suurree? INTJ=nerd thing is absurd really, or maybe I'm the exception. Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:03:41 GMT http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#33b052ca-5276-49f4-8d5d-b8dae15fdb43 Peter 2009-06-19T10:03:41Z http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#f8734625-8c4f-4dad-a4ba-3ba69e6a6fcb 1) I'm an MBTI Master Practitioner. 2) Type is not traits. 3) The assessment does not measure "strength." It measures clarity. There is no way to measure "strength" of a preference. Check your facts. Hint: An MBTI user manual is filled with all the psychometric measurements anyone's heart could desire. That should be amply specific to meet your INTJ needs. :-) I'm going to be blunt, I don't like your attitude. You come across a little as authoritative, and you know how much intjs like that = /. Your title is of no concern to us ya know, it doesn't help to keep reminding us of it as if it makes your input any more important than others. Also as a person who believes almost anything is possible, (for good reason, trust me I've seen and done seemingly impossible tasks), for you to bluntly state there is no way to measure the strength of preference is rather small minded, surely something as simple as strength of preference can be measured, there just ins't the tool to measure it with yet I guess. I suggest as MBTI MASTER you should create one yourself, unless you really believe it's IMPOSSIBLE.... Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:29:21 GMT http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#f8734625-8c4f-4dad-a4ba-3ba69e6a6fcb Peter 2009-06-19T09:29:21Z http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#3909fdd2-6e4e-4860-ac9a-110ee7cffbee Hi Guiseppina, Personally, I'm not convinced that an INTJ/ENFP match would be a good one (at least long term), due to my personal experience with ENFPs and my observations of them. INTJs are usually loners from what I can gather, so finding one in the first place could be a struggle. Try online, I think many INTJs frequent message boards. intjforum.com/ - Peta Tue, 12 May 2009 07:22:20 GMT http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#3909fdd2-6e4e-4860-ac9a-110ee7cffbee Peta 2009-05-12T07:22:20Z http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#d03ba891-30f8-4902-be8e-615e27132290 YAYYY! Type as dogma is pretty doggone pointless, that's for sure. :-) Tue, 12 May 2009 03:05:54 GMT http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#d03ba891-30f8-4902-be8e-615e27132290 Vicky Jo 2009-05-12T03:05:54Z http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#8076c086-04f2-4a7c-a3e7-f943351c06e5 This pointless discussion ends now. Tue, 12 May 2009 02:54:03 GMT http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#8076c086-04f2-4a7c-a3e7-f943351c06e5 INTp 2009-05-12T02:54:03Z http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#398bb82b-aee2-4755-a07b-17c17642f87b ROLOLOLOL > I don't know what an "INTp" is -- that seems like one of those weird > Socionics hybrid invention things...? Who knows, who cares. I have explained exactly what it means, which part has eluded you? Any "invention" that furthers our understanding of the world around us is a good thing and one should care about it. *** I recommend you pursue a career as a politican or perhaps a consultant, since you want to promote an "invention" that demonstrates a total lack of understanding for the original idea that you are trying to "improve." *** I don't care about it -- and nobody I know who's serious about type cares about it. We have infinitely more interesting type "inventions" we care about -- and you know we're serious because we've submitted ourselves to formal training programs with our peers, just like people in any other certification program. > I've been happily married to an INTJ for 7 years (we got married at > Stonehenge, in fact). So if you're suggesting NTs and NFs can't be > happily married, I'm delighted to say our marriage puts the lie to > that, as do many other happy and successful NT/NF relationships I > know. (That's based on experience btw, not *ahem* "theory.") Sorry, the existence of anecdotal examples does not invalidate the theory. The theory does not say you two cannot be happy, after all happiness is a very subjective thing. The theory only says that it is not an ideal match, esp, not for an NT person. There is a reason why NT subgroup is called rational. That is also a reason why for that subgroup theoretically optimal matching exists. *** If "happiness" (which is being "scientifically" studied in a great deal of depth right now, as it happens) is not a way to measure an "ideal match," then what criteria might one use? The perfect symmetry of letters as they appear together? The aggregate income of the two partners combined? *** Emotion is the currency of relationship. And relationship data can only be useful when empirically demonstrated -- there are no "objective" measures that exist. > What the interaction between you and me makes painfully obvious is > that some NTs resort to sarcasm when confronted by an NF who's > competent and has done her homework. I wouldn't chalk that up to > type, however -- in our house we call that by its old-fashioned > word: "immaturity." Sarcasm is considered a shadow practice. (I > confess: I lapse into it too. Sigh.) What the interaction between us makes obvious is a classical example why an NT should not get mixed up with an NF. NFs *never* attack the ideas. Why? Instead they *always* resort to attacking the messenger on a personal/emotional level. If you want to attack the idea, go ahead, it has been clearly stated. Why do you have to tell me how you have done your homework and how competent you are and call me immature (ROFLMAO)? Do you feel threatened? Is this supposed to impress me (or the others)? Just *demonstrate* your competence and show where is the logical fallacy in the presented idea. *** As best I can tell, the person making ad hominem attacks here is YOU, and has been YOU from the get-go. My earliest emails provided facts and resource suggestions, remember? 1) I'm an MBTI Master Practitioner. 2) Type is not traits. 3) The assessment does not measure "strength." It measures clarity. There is no way to measure "strength" of a preference. Check your facts. Hint: An MBTI user manual is filled with all the psychometric measurements anyone's heart could desire. *** It's not my job to tutor you. You're on your own. *** But for the record, you don't "threaten" me in the least. If you want to go and do empire-building with your ill-informed crackpot theories, don't let me stop you. Why don't you send me a postcard from time to time and let me know how it's going? :-) > Nevertheless, I'll take knowledge and experience over sarcasm and > "theory" any day of the week, no matter what type or person it's > coming from. I've no doubt you are the same when pride doesn't get > the better of you. :-) ROFLMAO, an NT does not suffer from pride, it is a domain of emotionally charged people, NF in particular. *** I suggest the only "emotionally charged" person here is YOU. It's kind of funny how your Ego is boasting how rational you are, when I daresay that everyone else reading this exchange is vividly aware of how NOT rational your messages are. In other words, your pride is making a fool and a liar out of you. *** But don't let me stop you from having fun. Mon, 11 May 2009 21:57:13 GMT http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#398bb82b-aee2-4755-a07b-17c17642f87b Vicky Jo 2009-05-11T21:57:13Z http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#68c11011-b948-4cce-99fe-365a79b4077b > I don't know what an "INTp" is -- that seems like one of those weird > Socionics hybrid invention things...? Who knows, who cares. I have explained exactly what it means, which part has eluded you? Any "invention" that furthers our understanding of the world around us is a good thing and one should care about it. > I've been happily married to an INTJ for 7 years (we got married at > Stonehenge, in fact). So if you're suggesting NTs and NFs can't be > happily married, I'm delighted to say our marriage puts the lie to > that, as do many other happy and successful NT/NF relationships I > know. (That's based on experience btw, not *ahem* "theory.") Sorry, the existence of anecdotal examples does not invalidate the theory. The theory does not say you two cannot be happy, after all happiness is a very subjective thing. The theory only says that it is not an ideal match, esp, not for an NT person. There is a reason why NT subgroup is called rational. That is also a reason why for that subgroup theoretically optimal matching exists. > What the interaction between you and me makes painfully obvious is > that some NTs resort to sarcasm when confronted by an NF who's > competent and has done her homework. I wouldn't chalk that up to > type, however -- in our house we call that by its old-fashioned > word: "immaturity." Sarcasm is considered a shadow practice. (I > confess: I lapse into it too. Sigh.) What the interaction between us makes obvious is a classical example why an NT should not get mixed up with an NF. NFs *never* attack the ideas. Why? Instead they *always* resort to attacking the messenger on a personal/emotional level. If you want to attack the idea, go ahead, it has been clearly stated. Why do you have to tell me how you have done your homework and how competent you are and call me immature (ROFLMAO)? Do you feel threatened? Is this supposed to impress me (or the others)? Just *demonstrate* your competence and show where is the logical fallacy in the presented idea. > Nevertheless, I'll take knowledge and experience over sarcasm and > "theory" any day of the week, no matter what type or person it's > coming from. I've no doubt you are the same when pride doesn't get > the better of you. :-) ROFLMAO, an NT does not suffer from pride, it is a domain of emotionally charged people, NF in particular. Mon, 11 May 2009 20:28:39 GMT http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#68c11011-b948-4cce-99fe-365a79b4077b INTp 2009-05-11T20:28:39Z http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#9c3c8373-eb5e-4e25-add4-21f5c38b7d50 I don't know what an "INTp" is -- that seems like one of those weird Socionics hybrid invention things...? Who knows, who cares. I've been happily married to an INTJ for 7 years (we got married at Stonehenge, in fact). So if you're suggesting NTs and NFs can't be happily married, I'm delighted to say our marriage puts the lie to that, as do many other happy and successful NT/NF relationships I know. (That's based on experience btw, not *ahem* "theory.") What the interaction between you and me makes painfully obvious is that some NTs resort to sarcasm when confronted by an NF who's competent and has done her homework. I wouldn't chalk that up to type, however -- in our house we call that by its old-fashioned word: "immaturity." Sarcasm is considered a shadow practice. (I confess: I lapse into it too. Sigh.) Nevertheless, I'll take knowledge and experience over sarcasm and "theory" any day of the week, no matter what type or person it's coming from. I've no doubt you are the same when pride doesn't get the better of you. :-) Mon, 11 May 2009 18:40:02 GMT http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#9c3c8373-eb5e-4e25-add4-21f5c38b7d50 Vicky Jo 2009-05-11T18:40:02Z http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#c133dea6-f4df-44e4-9f53-710d254f96c0 Good for you. Unlike you I am not a a mere practitioner of the craft. I am an INTp, I develop and test my own theories, with utter disregard for everything that makes no sense, like "user manuals". I know perfectly well what is good for an NT type, and it ain't no NF type, our interaction makes it painfully obvious :) Mon, 11 May 2009 13:43:43 GMT http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#c133dea6-f4df-44e4-9f53-710d254f96c0 INTp 2009-05-11T13:43:43Z http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#2ca0b180-67db-4792-ac2a-0323f3ed9ebd 1) I'm an MBTI Master Practitioner. 2) Type is not traits. 3) The assessment does not measure "strength." It measures clarity. There is no way to measure "strength" of a preference. Check your facts. Hint: An MBTI user manual is filled with all the psychometric measurements anyone's heart could desire. That should be amply specific to meet your INTJ needs. :-) Mon, 11 May 2009 06:30:20 GMT http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#2ca0b180-67db-4792-ac2a-0323f3ed9ebd Vicky Jo 2009-05-11T06:30:20Z http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#c6eb0e8f-9371-4376-b1f8-4a59c6b608a3 Vicky, please be more specific in your criticism. Strength is defined as a numerical value, a position of a particular personality in the 4 dimensional space. A strong NT is one with projections above 50% along both N and T axis. A value is not something fixed, rather it can be seen as a center of a distribution (pick your favorite, Gaussian works for me). A personality will fluctuate around it depending on the circumstances. People with "weak" traits (as in center of the distribution being close to 0) have the ability to cross to the other side much easier than people with "strong" traits. It is customary to express "weak" traits using lower case letters. Hence for Nt and Nf personality their distributions along T-F axis will have a lot more overlap than the same T-F distributions for NT and NF personalities. Mon, 11 May 2009 00:25:41 GMT http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#c6eb0e8f-9371-4376-b1f8-4a59c6b608a3 INTp 2009-05-11T00:25:41Z http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#6b18a7d2-b4fd-4410-99a3-b06a40064ec2 Good Lord, where do these ridiculous formulas come from? And what the h*ll is a "strong NT" and "weaker Nf" anyway? Sheesh, these betray enormous ignorance. :-( Sun, 10 May 2009 22:47:30 GMT http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#6b18a7d2-b4fd-4410-99a3-b06a40064ec2 Vicky Jo 2009-05-10T22:47:30Z http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#b89a6a12-1d00-49f0-b37e-528cbe7265c4 LOL, you said it, "it is so out of NF realm". For a strong NT only another strong NT is a good match. But a weaker, Nt might get along with a weaker Nf. You should try okcupid, it has the most sound matchng system. Sun, 10 May 2009 17:23:11 GMT http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#b89a6a12-1d00-49f0-b37e-528cbe7265c4 INTp 2009-05-10T17:23:11Z http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#0e2b4c24-9cd9-4318-b172-8c07640dc011 Hello! ENFP here. So, I believe in the ENFP/INTJ match. Where can an ENFP (particularly female) meet an INTJ (particularly male) naturally? I've heard that one can do so by joining nerdy activities, but this is so out of our realm that I don't even know where to begin. Can you INTJs provide some suggestions? Sun, 10 May 2009 16:27:13 GMT http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/cfe2eb69-2273-455d-95ce-2196191874b1#0e2b4c24-9cd9-4318-b172-8c07640dc011 Guiseppina 2009-05-10T16:27:13Z