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I was seeing a psychologist recently and he said the difference between the two didn't amount to much. Not that there was no difference, but simply that it's not something I should concern myself about.
Anyone else tested both ways?
Anyone else tested both ways?
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Re: Anyone else ever test INTJ one time and INTP another?
Sat, June 10, 2006 - 8:12 AM
I am very J, but I'm closer to the boundary on I and E, that is very situational for me, and sometimes I'm closer to the boundary on T and F.
As for "concerning yourself", it is my understanding that the people who invented the test thought that it's not bad to be equally balanced on any of the dicotomies (sp?), in fact the perfectly ideal human would be balanced on all four of them.
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Re: Anyone else ever test INTJ one time and INTP another?
Sat, June 10, 2006 - 10:48 AMI am pretty borderline on the P/J axis. -
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Re: Anyone else ever test INTJ one time and INTP another?
Sun, June 11, 2006 - 12:25 AMI am also borderline J/P. -
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Re: Anyone else ever test INTJ one time and INTP another?
Sun, June 11, 2006 - 9:39 AMI wonder how common it is to be borderline P/J. Is it something you two guys wonder about? -
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Re: Anyone else ever test INTJ one time and INTP another?
Sun, June 11, 2006 - 9:49 AMAnother close to borderline here.
When i'm with other INTJs I am often seen as an INTP...
When i'm with INTPs I am often seen as an INTJ...
I only have a slight preference for J
so I often just say I'm INTj (little j) -
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Re: Anyone else ever test INTJ one time and INTP another?
Sun, June 11, 2006 - 10:11 AMIt's funny that you should say that J's see you as a P while P's see you as a J.
I get that in political discussions. Some of my conservative friends think I'm a liberal and some of my liberal friends think I'm a conservative. Perhaps I have an itch to speak for the unrepresented side!
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Re: Anyone else ever test INTJ one time and INTP another?
Mon, July 3, 2006 - 8:40 PMMy J is only mildly expressed. I believe that about 10 years ago I might have been perfectly balanced, but I was not tested back then. I have definitely become more J with age.
Another thing I have noticed is a tendency to go back and forth on the t/f axis. My T is only 17%. Reading the descriptions of INFJs, I come pretty close. Is 17% enough to be an X?
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Re: Anyone else ever test INTJ one time and INTP another?
Thu, July 13, 2006 - 3:02 PMYup.
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Re: Anyone else ever test INTJ one time and INTP another?
Thu, July 13, 2006 - 8:20 PMJ vs. P is more of an assertiveness/laissez-faire sort of thing. Being "Dom/sub" is on the (J/P) axis, (IMHO, I'm no psychologist).
In my opinion, as well, being J or P wouldn't show up very much unless one was predominantly J or P. Also, IMHO, P behavior seems to be much more common than J. -
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Re: Anyone else ever test INTJ one time and INTP another?
Tue, August 29, 2006 - 3:53 AMINT with a very small j indeed. If I understand type theory correctly, I/E always matters, S/N is the most important distinction, and for Ns, T/F is the important axis, while for S, J/P is important. I don't know where I read this, but it makes sense, as T/F is basically an "internal" process (you could do it suspended in a vat), so Ns should value it, while J/P has to do with the outside world, where S is important.
Does this make sense?
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Re: Anyone else ever test INTJ one time and INTP another?
Tue, August 29, 2006 - 5:23 AMXNTX
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Re: Anyone else ever test INTJ one time and INTP another?
Sat, November 18, 2006 - 6:50 AMThe psychologist was wrong to think that the difference between the two doesn't amount to much, although Jung apparently thought so. INTJ and INTP are as different as apples and oranges. The reason people test as both is because MBTI considers your answer to the J/P questions to be strictly oriented to how you deal with the external world. In extroverts this is easier to determine (it corresponds to their primary trait) but with introverts it is less pronounced (it is their creative trait). Judging from your profile, you are Ne-creative, i.e. INTP.
I personally tested both ways, as I found I could answer either way on the J/P questions. I also had a hard time finding anything particularly objectionable about applying the INTP profiles to myself. But now after years of practice trying to figure this out, I'm pretty sure I have this problem-domain solved.
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No, but......
Sat, February 10, 2007 - 8:12 PMNo, but initially tested as ISTJ. Working in an engineering field, I guess that I subconsciously answered the way that I felt was "correct" and subsequently got the most typical engineer type of ISTJ. I learned through type descriptions and other methods during workshops (run by workplace psychologist folk) that I was clearly INTJ. The label itself does not actually mean anything though. Being aware of your preferences does allow you to take advantage of circumstances where you are most comfortable, avoid situations where you can slip into 3rd function and what you can do to develop your weaknesses.
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Re: Anyone else ever test INTJ one time and INTP another?
Sat, February 10, 2007 - 8:56 PMI tend to test INTJ about 90% of the time and INTP most of the rest -- but even when I test INTJ, it's almost always something like 55-60% J to 40-45% P... -
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Re: Anyone else ever test INTJ one time and INTP another?
Thu, March 29, 2007 - 10:31 AMIf you don't want to read all of this I've included a "short version" below. If you're ESFP, don't bother reading this, go outside and chase butterflies
It helps to Read "Please Understand Me" or "Please Understand Me II" by David Keirsey, says alot about the MBTI typologies and puts things in perspective. I am almost always a INTJ, have gotten ISTJ and INTP once. I've taken at least 10 tests some more than once. A person's type is malleable.
The four "pairs" that seem closest to determining type are NT, NF, SJ, and SP the book goes into more detail. It even talks about determining types in children, the workplace, etc.
Human personality is very complex and a test means one has more of a preference towards a type. Also, people can act differently accord to situation or mood or experience. For instance a public speaker could be an INTJ but seem ENFJ while speaking to an audience.
Anyways, people get way to hung up on "their" type, wearing it like a badge of honour. I think a better reason to use the test is of course find out about yourself but also to understand how to better communicate with others you cannot understand.
Short version - People are who they are, taking a test confirms some things but does not set your outlook in concrete. I think there is a danger of getting a result and then molding your life to fit within it's boundaries.
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Re: Anyone else ever test INTJ one time and INTP another?
Thu, March 29, 2007 - 12:41 PMAre all INTJs in the habit of disparaging ESFPs? It feels so inappropriate to denigrate type differences rather than honor them.
But maybe that's just me and Isabel Briggs-Myers (designer of the MBTI). She released the MBTI as a result of World War II, y'know, believing that if people appreciated their differences it would eliminate war.
For the record, I have an ESFP friend who works for the government doing teambuilding, and he's one of the most brilliant people I know (and I'm married to an INTJ, so that's saying a lot).
He introduced me to so many groundbreaking theories that it made my head spin -- Spiral Dynamics, Holacracy, Firo-B. I concede that he does enjoy driving fast in a convertible, but then so does my husband!
I can't imagine my friend chasing butterflies -- the image is ludicrous. It feels like there's a BSG here (broad sweeping generalization).
What about ESFP can't you be with?
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Re: Anyone else ever test INTJ one time and INTP another?
Thu, March 29, 2007 - 12:33 PMI heartily disagree with your psychologist!
I wonder whether you are more inclined to meet the world with extraverted iNtuiting, or whether you are more inclined to meet the world with extraverted Thinking. That would help indicate which pattern is your *true* preference.
Of course, that's difficult to figure out, especially when you're in the driver's seat.
Both of these codes share the same Temperament pattern -- the pattern now called "Theorist" by Dr. Linda Berens. (It's a good idea to feel confidence that you demonstrate the Theorist pattern before moving onto the next step.)
If you are certain of your "Theorist" pattern, then it's a good idea to figure out your interaction style pattern. (www.InteractionStyles.com)
One of the biggest indicators of whether your preferences are INTJ or INTP is to notice whether you prefer the informing or directing communication style.
I wote quite a bit about this for my website www.INFJorINFP (who often suffer from this same confusion). The particular page (it's in frames) is:
members.aol.com/macvjv/doc...onStyle.htm
You can mostly substitute "INTJ" for "INFJ" and "INTP" for "INFP" for everything I've written there and get the gist of it.
Figuring out whether you prefer directing or informing is the surest way to choose between these two patterns.
Let me know what you think! (INFJs and INFPs usually love it.)
As to their being minor differences, I can tell you that as a Psychological Coach, I would interact with you verrrrry differently depending on which of these patterns was your best fit. To brush it off as minor betrays a little ignorance on the psychologist's part IMHO. :-(
If you were ever married to the other type, you would KNOW what I'm talking about.
