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any INTJs have seroius problems with intimacy.
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Re: fear of intimacy
Mon, July 3, 2006 - 9:33 PMyes, but I don't really think that it's because I'm an INTJ.
My family moved around a lot as I was growing up -- 12 times in the first 18 years of my life. We're talking complete relocation in the sense that you go to a new school, church, etc and have to form all new friendships and ties each time. At first, kids bounce back quickly from these things, but after a few times of being uprooted like that you just kind of lose the ability to recover completely. I really don't know how to reach out and make new friends any more.
When I am being introduced to new people in my church, or parents of my kids' classmates, etc. I will be polite and smiling and say all the right things but on the inside I am thinking, "Yeah, whatever. I will forget your name in about 10 minutes. Who really cares? It's all just BS anyway, you'll either move or I will, so why go to all the trouble of trying?"
OTOH, my family has become very important to me as a result and I am very intimate with them. It's just hard to open up to "newcomers". -
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Tue, July 4, 2006 - 4:19 AMMy family moved a lot too. I attended ten different schools in twelve years. So did my brothers, though, and they're not INTJ. Each of us are fairly isolated. We CAN get along with other people--we know how to act--but each of us spends a lot of time alone.
The fear of intimacy is there, though: I'm the only one of four siblings who never married. However, the older I get the more inclined I am to wonder: Is this fear of intimacy or the realization that one needs (most of all) a lot of time alone? I mean, the notion of "fear of intimacy" is based on the notion that everyone belongs in an intimate sexual relationship. Says who? -
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Re: fear of intimacy
Fri, July 7, 2006 - 6:50 AMWow, this happened to somebody else; I almost never hear of a similar case! :)
I wonder how much of our introversion was encouraged by all this disconnectedness from moving so much. I score pretty high on the I, about 80% or more. Apparently I was more gregarious when I was a kid (according to relatives that hadn't seen me in a while).
Though your brothers are not INTJs, they're also introverts, correct?
I agree, not everybody belongs in an intimate sexual relationship. Although I am happily married to an ENFP right now, it does become wearing at times -- even though I've explained my need for daily alone time, he doesn't always "get" it. I am often accused of being aloof. Being married is rewarding, but being single would be easier. -
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Re: fear of intimacy
Tue, August 29, 2006 - 3:47 AMI feel the same way. INTJs can be intimate, but they need time alone, and this is at odds with being in a relation. I won't say it's impossible, but I think that for an INTJ, an intimate relationship is always a compromise.
As for myself, I moved to what basically amounts to an inbred village where all the locals were related, knew eachother, and disliked outsiders with a passion when I was about 8. -
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Tue, August 29, 2006 - 11:40 AMIntimacy is a double-edged sword for me. I truly enjoy the benefits of intimacy (ie love, affection, sex, the whole "soul mate" thing); however, I have found that I always seem to fundamentally accept a partner based on incorrect reasoning.
For me, the problem seems to surround the fact that I am willing to compromise my intellectual needs. In fact, I have found that I tend to violate section 38-24-36 of the Intelligent-selection-of-a-mate section of the Book of Soulmate.
I have also found that I tend to violate section 36DD as well..
Having said that, I still consider myself a blind optimist.
What can I say? Ignorance is bliss!!!
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Re: fear of intimacy
Sat, September 23, 2006 - 9:44 AMYes. Heh.
My mother, actually, moved a lot (as in every 6 months) when she was growing up b/c her dad was very tempermental and got fired or quit alot. I don't know how much of her experiences with people and making friends rubbed off on me.
I'm so glad I found this site. It's so nice to know I'm not a freak and there are actually other people I see eye to eye with for a change. -
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Fri, October 20, 2006 - 11:48 AMI know about how discovering you are an INTJ is very liberating. Honestly I thought I'd been dropped into the maternity ward for my Mother by aliens. Here's the funny part though, once I started finding other INTJs, well we've sort of swelled in social numbers and the first time at church I joked about it , it was like we were at our first "intj anonymous" meeting.
As for the intimacy issue, I kind of have the opposite problem. Initially I'm not friendly but if I'm going to invest I need it all to be on the line, bold-faced, out there and people run screaming.
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Wed, October 18, 2006 - 7:00 AMPhysical intimacy, nope. Emotional intimacy, I may have an issue or two according to my significant other.
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Sun, October 22, 2006 - 8:51 PMI have issues with intimacy. I never really credited that to my INTJness until recently. I thought I was just insecure and didn't trust people. I used to think that it was just a matter of maturity and that the older I got the easier it would be to lay my heart on the line. But it doesn't get any easier. I find I really need to be understood. That's very important to me. When things get really emotional, I get really rational. I used to think that was a defense mechanism that I needed to get rid of. But now I know there's nothing wrong with my defense mechanism because it is simply my way of coping. It's not fair to ask someone to give up the only thing that makes them feel safe.
I find that men often adore my INTJ qualities initially, but then expect me to be more of the stereotypical female later. I'd be interested in knowing if other INTJ females have had similar experiences. -
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Wed, December 6, 2006 - 9:37 AMI did not move that much when I was growning up, but yeah I have been called aloof or distant by friends and co workers. My friend say that my room when I was with my folks was a bunker because I sometimes prefered to stay there ... of course I I had all the accomodetions (TV, mini bar, sorround sound computer ...etc ... ) lol .
At work I have heard the word aloof, reserved snob, condesdending ... jerk ...lol ... not that it matters to me ... also they said that I was like a robot .... I probably have a couple of close friends and sveral friends and allot of acueintances lol ... as far as a loved one more than once I have women get put off by my ways of being slow in revealing my feealings for her
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Re: fear of intimacy
Wed, December 6, 2006 - 10:21 AM<i>I find that men often adore my INTJ qualities initially, but then expect me to be more of the stereotypical female later. </i>
Oh I sooooo, know about that. It's great when you want to have opinions, drink beer with the boys, tear apart logical arguments-when you do it to/with *someone else.*
But I have the same attitude about that I do about other annoyances, don't like it? Take the "flame-thrower of ultimate truth" to it. If it survives, it will stick around, if not, get a dustpan and be done with it. I'm lucky, my husband took the whole package deal and he knows that there are certain things I wouldn't (and in some cases) couldn't change about myself. -
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 2:27 PM<i>I find that men often adore my INTJ qualities initially, but then expect me to be more of the stereotypical female later. </i>
agree, I have a tendency to not think outside the box but create a box of my own and not only does that independent thinking cause problems, I'm not sure everyone can understand that rationale behind who I am. Not to mention the stubborn-ness
as far as intimacy problems Yes me too, I have tried to dissect why exactly I was having problems opening up to someone about how I feel about them, and I could list many things from family to just personal preference but regardless to that its true.
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Re: fear of intimacy
Sat, November 7, 2009 - 7:45 AMI am in the INTJ category and I have real problems with intimacy. More than the rest of you it's likely.
It's not that I fear intimacy.... I just don't fell a need for it. I rarely connect with anyone in this world and over time I have adjusted very comfortably to this type of life.
I would say, if anyone has ever read the book 'The Watchmen' (not the film which is shit) and knows the character Walter Kovacs aka Rorschach...
Well basically, I am a lot like this guy but without the psychotic tendencies (would never harm animals at least). It's strange and slightly disconcerting to realise I connected with this graphic novel character more than any other person I have ever met. -
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Re: fear of intimacy
Mon, November 9, 2009 - 10:21 PMI can 100% agree with you; you know, I would really love to know what it is that makes people appeal to each other on a personal leve.
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Mon, November 9, 2009 - 10:19 PMYes, I do and to a ridiculous extent. I have a very deep fear of letting people into my life; it's impossible for me to maintain friendships (close ones anyway) because I push people away. Something about having people get too close to me makes me feel sick (yes, physically). I could almost say that I am literally allergic to friendship! :) I think it's partly because I am afraid that people will ruin my life if I let them become too close, doesn't that sound paranoid!? :p However, I don't have this problem with my family as I'm very close to all of them. I am engaged also, and I've never felt that way about my boyfriend, he's one of the few people that I can really trust. -
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Re: fear of intimacy
Tue, November 10, 2009 - 3:00 PMMaybe it's a particular kind of 'friendship' that you're allergic to - classic/ordinary sense, what other people expect the relationship to be (and even try to make it that way). I doubt it's the idea of friendship that you loathe or that, if you happened to have a person you can really call 'a friend', you wouldn't appreciate it (at least mentally).
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Re: fear of intimacy
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 6:12 PMIntimacy sucks. I won't even go there. I will say; however, that oddly enough I have tended to attract ESFP's. At best, I attract extraverts and perceivers. Anyway, I am not sure I am interested in being with extraverts indefinitely; moreover, the perceivers are starting to get on my nerves with their lack of punctuality. I have been doing some serious thinking, and I am beginning to think (debate) whether or not I would be better suited with another introverted intuitive? I have been talking to someone, and I believe she's an INFJ or ISFJ (I need help figuring it out; anyone willing?) ;) and we seem to hit it off pretty well. Rather, we connect. Connection is pretty important to me since I find it difficult. I used to not find it difficult, or at least I don't remember it being this difficult; however, it has now been a huge burden for me, and I am continually frustrated by relationships. I just don't have time for the immaturity. I undoubtedly keep attracting extroverted perceivers who are anything BUT reliable. It drives me NUTS!
Anyway, fears of intimacy run rampant in my life... however, I think surrounding myself with J's make it easier :) However, J's lack the spontaneity that I need :( It's difficult being an INTJ.
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Re: fear of intimacy
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 8:46 PMI have a fear of intimacy because I'm a perfectionist. I paint pictures of what people are supposed to be, and then reality threatens to destroy them, so I pull away to make sure my painting doesn't get wrecked. I'm scared of reality, and so I am scared of intimacy.
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Re: fear of intimacy
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 8:59 PMHm, could explain a lot...*sigh* I care about an INTJ but I guess I pushed too hard...stupid INFJness. Now I just got shut out and there's nothing I can do.