Tribe.net. Local Connections Zachary http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#ce717f2e-5d44-4ac7-b919-1926a7d96eea 2009-11-19T01:11:45Z 2009-11-19T01:11:45Z

I've recently turned 20 and am only now starting to embrace a religion that I think has no holes. Every other way of believing that I've tried to accept, ranging from Christianity and Atheism, haven't really satisfied me, and I think what I'm starting to adopt is the middle ground between the two. I haven't accepted this belief yet, but my belief that I'm entertaining is that Jesus was who He said he was, but who He said He was has been largely misinterpreted by humans. We seem to believe that God's life is consumed by us and our actions. What I'm advocating is that God governs the entire universe, and He sets a principle on it just like the law of gravity. It goes that ANY life form that is created must follow God to survive. This goes down to the tiniest cell. As humans, we have far more abilities than single-cell organisms, and these abilities have evolved through the single cell organisms following God and forming multicellular organisms. Loving one's neighbour, loving God, being truthful in all things, and having no gods before God are among the behaviours that follow God, and these behaviours have their own forms in all life forms. As humans we are the descendents of the life forms that have followed God the MOST on earth, and God has rewared us, by duty to His principle, with blessings like greater power of thought, greater feelings of love; in essence, He rewards all life forms that follow Him with a greater ability to sense Him and follow His will, and He punishes those that reject His will by being cowardly, turning down their ability to sense God, with death. The greatest sin is turning a blind eye to God.

Zachary 2009-11-19T01:11:45Z Sunday http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#77e66776-834d-4664-ac78-33f50065064c 2009-11-07T22:38:28Z 2009-11-07T22:38:28Z

Hi Ryan, I am a INTJ. I am turning 50 in February and just accepted Jesus as my Savior. It takes awhile for the word of God to cut through all the 'rational' thinking in our heads. I was 'sure' for years the the skeptic was 'right'. Now I am older, my sensing aspect is starting to emerge, I was able to change my thinking. Higher power, greater knowledge, bigger picture than we can comprehend is thought provoking and leads to different conclusions if we can not comprehend all knowledge. It leave a big gaping whole that only a higher power can fill, we are incomplete without God.

Sunday 2009-11-07T22:38:28Z jenine http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#864107a1-4976-41ea-a802-8dfb0dbb24ba 2009-11-05T23:43:48Z 2009-11-05T23:43:48Z

I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I believe in truth. The bible is very logical if properly understood. The further one delves into it, the more one is fulfilled and impelled to please their creator. Many religions teach lies and can't provide evidence to support their beliefs. Jesus said "..every good tree produces fine fruit....by their fruits you will recognize those men" matt7:17,20 I am not surprised why many people either blame God or choose to believe he doesn't exist to explain why the world is full of problems and no solutions. The bible describes why this has happened. I recommend wholeheartedly praying to Jehovah (God's name has been edited out of many translations..find out why) and see what happens.

jenine 2009-11-05T23:43:48Z Vicky Jo http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#1f9892f2-e3d7-463e-8b03-81fcfd45932c 2009-10-31T19:12:17Z 2009-10-31T19:12:17Z

Lilly, reminds me of a Jung quote. The word '"belief'" is a difficult thing for me. I don't believe. I must have a reason for a certain hypothesis. Either I know a thing, and then I know it --I don't need to believe it. C.G. Jung

Vicky Jo 2009-10-31T19:12:17Z Lilly http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#551b7d20-b7d2-4b3c-9461-73037ff83e6d 2009-10-31T03:21:58Z 2009-10-31T03:21:58Z

I am a die hard theist I don't think ,I know a god exist. Someone telling me they believe in a god sounds as logical as someone saying they only believe in the laws of nature and science .

Lilly 2009-10-31T03:21:58Z $item.owner.firstName http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#3ff8736d-b4e0-4799-945e-b12afcbba89e 2009-09-11T16:41:25Z 2009-09-11T16:41:25Z

I believe that there is a God, and I do call myself a Christian; however, I do not agree with the current practice of Christianity (nor do I agree with what Europeans practiced back in the Dark ages) because I believe it involves too much politics, drama, and bureaucracy that is unwarranted in a belief of a savior, which Jesus himself argued against. Nevertheless, I go to church when I am back at my parents' home as voicing this opinion would create a mass crisis in my family (as previously evidenced) and my (I think he is SJ) dad will make my life a living hell for going against the family value system. :)

$item.owner.firstName 2009-09-11T16:41:25Z Veronica Hales http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#5ea0c277-e613-4076-8aff-468c13ec9b32 2009-08-26T05:25:40Z 2009-08-26T05:25:40Z

Most religions' function is largely for spiritually lazy people who want to differ their spiritual responsibility to someone / something else.

Veronica Hales 2009-08-26T05:25:40Z John http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#e43654c4-afad-4e12-a299-e7a8700a883c 2009-08-17T23:19:01Z 2009-08-17T23:19:01Z

I am LDS or also known as Mormon. Logic does not always require physical evidence. Morality and Religion provides a system at viewing the inner self and outer world in placing everything into the larger puzzle. As long as the system is logical within itself, there is no reason why INTJ's should have a problem with religion or belief in God.

John 2009-08-17T23:19:01Z Kara http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#05c49c3f-0291-4a11-bd4c-502b8a2379d1 2009-08-17T14:50:55Z 2009-08-17T14:50:55Z

I am not religious at all. I have no religious beliefs and essentially have no interest in having religious beliefs. I suppose I am agnostic.

Kara 2009-08-17T14:50:55Z coco http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#9d329c33-a57a-432f-929c-af5610a18b4a 2009-08-05T18:58:54Z 2009-08-05T18:58:54Z

dont think being any MBTI type in particular casts you automatically into or out of a Religion or particular religious dogma. I'd equate that more to environment.

coco 2009-08-05T18:58:54Z Christopher http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#e67fca86-d8d9-4f00-8e1c-5f55ec06f9c5 2009-07-25T05:25:35Z 2009-07-25T05:25:35Z

Religion has always played a big part in my life but my view and beliefs are constantly growing and modifying. I believe in God unwavering. My complete trust in Jesus wavers as I try to understand the motivations and the inspirations of other people and thier faiths. But I always end up back in the same spot. I don't like organized religion, kind of arrogant and think nobody should know more or be able to tell me more about my own understanding and relationship. But I do look at ministers, mentors, and friends as tools for growth that either reaffirm my beliefs or challenge my faith and give me awake up call to either explore deeper. I wouldn't classify myself as Christian because I don't like the open endness of it all. Believe in me and have eternal life. I prefer the old testament because it is one way and no gray area. But the guilt and the conflict that exist with my beliefs show me that I have a long way to go. And I am ok with that.

Christopher 2009-07-25T05:25:35Z INTp http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#9cfc3d68-f1ff-4a26-a9d5-84a6d6f445c5 2009-07-16T01:45:45Z 2009-07-16T01:45:45Z

Religion is a completely superfluous illogical human idea useful only to control illogical masses. The physical universe is more wondrous than any religion can imagine their "god" is.

INTp 2009-07-16T01:45:45Z Wyatt http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#2d0dbf57-628b-4854-bc77-a61789179d77 2009-07-13T22:55:32Z 2009-07-13T22:55:32Z

I have a soul. My life is a gift.

Wyatt 2009-07-13T22:55:32Z Jonathan http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#6baee4c4-a2c3-4ab9-a708-8b426216e379 2009-07-13T08:30:34Z 2009-07-13T08:30:34Z

I have had a search going on for many years and moved from fundamentalism to atheism and to my current position. INTJ's are skeptical and critical, but also pragmatic. And usually search for a system or model in which all of reality (including the big picture) may be fit. An INTJ's logic is empirical. And so, we naturally reason via science and especially as it seems congruent with universal experience. For me, Process Philosophy/Theology fit the bill. Process thought is a natural and empirical theology derived from the writings of the Mathematician and Philosopher Alfred North Whitehead. Usually, it is adopted by Christian and Jewish theologians. But more and more it is finding a place within eastern religions as well. It's appeal lies in its ability to harmonize the sciences, human history, philosophy, and religious experience and order them within a systematic whole.

Jonathan 2009-07-13T08:30:34Z Peter http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#7cf8d294-676a-4ef8-8606-077773f79787 2009-06-19T11:15:32Z 2009-06-19T11:15:32Z

hey ryan, interesting topic actually as I have been pondering the stage of spiritual development (ever read about this?) other intjs have reached, and so far it doesn't seem like it's very far(if you reached the atheist stage you are almost there). After High school I went through some incredible experiences that has forever changed my views of the world and universe, reality itself has proven to be crazier than works of fiction. I discovered evidence of unknown forces(to most), spriritual or bio forces, chi, ki, chakra, whateverr you want to call it, I now KNOW it exists, I also discovered that we can gain conscious control over our spirit energy(moving or manipulating physical reality/objects). and in the end I learned that, Good and Bad EXISTS and Everything is nothing and nothing made everything. I probably just made myself sound like the craziest intj ever but, you asked and I told. If you are interested in performing an experiment which will prove how you can shape reality with your consciousness(and that also costs about $3 in parts and supplies), look up Masaru Emoto's Rice experiment and do it yourself, I promise you the results will be nothing short of amazing.........then maybe later if you actually complete the experiment, we can talk about telekinesis and psychokinesis. I know this sounds CRAZY, but they really are my true beliefs, why do I believe them? Because I've seen and done too much NOT to, it's simply undeniable to me, it's like the air we breathe, you can't see it but we all know it's there!

Peter 2009-06-19T11:15:32Z Dion http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#42e8b92f-6751-49e8-9cfe-fb2e1c6b4b52 2009-03-08T16:24:11Z 2009-03-08T16:24:11Z

I believe in God the one God which the others have emerged from

Dion 2009-03-08T16:24:11Z Dion http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#693c4e46-4edc-4af7-b31e-095a2a215721 2009-03-08T16:19:12Z 2009-03-08T16:17:54Z

i believe in god the one god which the others have emergeg from.

Dion 2009-03-08T16:17:54Z matthew http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#b1a5a36d-7292-41b4-a0a1-9fc061e9312a 2009-03-03T06:17:45Z 2009-03-03T06:17:45Z

I am a practicing Episcopalian, although I have been very forthcoming with many I attend with that I have many doubts. In complete honesty, i would have to say that I am agnostic. At my most God-believing moment, I stand in awe of how amazing the world is that we live in - complex, fascinating, and powerful. At my most God-refuting (more the tendency), I see religion as having it's beginning in our ancient ancestors' inability to explain the natural (and quite terrifying) occurences, such as lightning, earthquakes, death, disease, etc - and slowly but surely improving and progressing to the point we are at now - wait, we're still at war over this stuff? The differences between what you believe and what I believe? Wow. I think that this idea of a powerful creator being is planted in our heads at an early age and is like the Santa Claus that is never proven to be false. So that's my theory now, but I want desperately to believe - to truly believe. My wife says, "well just do it then - just believe." If only it were that simple. But life was more enjoyable when I did believe. I can't say that I care for the idea of the end and then nothingness. I just haven't been convinced that there is anything else. And as for the post that says all secular friends left after Christianity was discovered, it goes both ways.

matthew 2009-03-03T06:17:45Z John http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#60b069f1-d820-4198-9aa6-4b5294b2445c 2009-02-19T22:53:02Z 2009-02-19T22:53:02Z

I'm Theravada Buddhist, I even became a monk for 4 years. Its hard to call it religion really, no god, no worship, no faith, and vary logical. so far I can't put any holes in it

John 2009-02-19T22:53:02Z Vicky Jo http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#eed4bdfd-b60e-4037-9de5-a9e0bac1d75d 2009-02-15T05:39:04Z 2009-02-15T05:39:04Z

apologies for the duplicate posting. Tribe was funky about letting me edit this time out. :-(

Vicky Jo 2009-02-15T05:39:04Z Vicky Jo http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#1f04e308-84e1-4d6f-9a68-a407e60396b0 2009-02-15T05:38:06Z 2009-02-15T05:38:06Z

Fascinating. C.G. Jung, author of "Psychological Types," which theories form the basis of the MBTI instrument, is considered by many current cutting-edge type experts to probably have had INTJ preferences. He is shown on a BBC film telling the interviewer, "I do not think there is a God -- I *know*." It's available on YouTube if you'd like to view it. I don't think Jung was into organized religion either. I believe he said something about religion being a protection from the actual experience of God.

Vicky Jo 2009-02-15T05:38:06Z Vicky Jo http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#da3ce552-69d7-4510-adb3-de20cab28cdd 2009-02-15T05:35:08Z 2009-02-15T05:35:08Z

Fascinating. C.G. Jung, author of "Psychological Types," which theories form the basis of the MBTI instrument, is considered by many current cutting-edge type experts to probably have had INTJ preferences. He is shown on a BBC film telling the interviewer, "I do not think there is a God -- I *know*." It's available on YouTube if you'd like to view it.

Vicky Jo 2009-02-15T05:35:08Z Padraig http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#671f442b-a094-4290-8c2e-25771789f809 2009-02-15T04:06:06Z 2009-02-15T04:06:06Z

Marx was right. "Religion is the opium of the people". Following organized religion does not appeal to me. I have come to firmly hold that: 1. No one on the planet, alive or dead, can make a reasonable argument that a supreme power exists. 2. No one on the planet, alive or dead, can make a reasonable argument that a supreme power does not exist. 3. It is beyond the mind of man to even begin to describe a divine power. It is arrogant for man to even try.

Padraig 2009-02-15T04:06:06Z William http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#a7dfa3f4-52af-4bc5-857e-93ce784a22f3 2009-01-27T17:40:16Z 2009-01-27T17:40:16Z

I am a college student majoring in Christian Theology. As far as my INTJ-ness goes, you can imagine I spend most of my time poring over ancient books and messing with the abstract. I was taught early on not question my faith, but my life at a Christian college has allowed, and even encouraged, me to do that. So, faith is not simply an acceptance of those things which have no basis or no support, but rather it is "faith seeking understanding," which is a faith that is not afraid to question the world around it and even its own beliefs and practices, but understands the supremacy and, above all, the love of a Creator who gives us life in order that we might share in His love. So yeah, I'm a peculiar INTJ, but aren't all of us INTJ's peculiar in our own ways? I think the only constant between us INTJ's is that we're all individuals, so we're bound to be vastly different. As you can plainly see, some of us are professing Christians whereas some of us are ardent atheists. I think it's a testament to our very peculiar nature.

William 2009-01-27T17:40:16Z naveen http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#fa016ee1-2c23-4284-a980-d605faffafc5 2009-01-08T04:17:06Z 2009-01-08T04:17:06Z

well guys..for those who havent checked it out yet,lemme suggest "jnana yoga", "sankhya-yoga;bhagavath geetha".we all have a common ground ..as INTJs,we value knowledge.not an idea based on belief or hope,as rightly pointed out..we believe in concrete knowledge.sankhya yoga is called union through knowledge ..unlike the other religions which focus on devotion..sometimes as an INTJ,the path of devotion may not appeal to us.its for us that the sankhya yoga in the second chapter of bhagavath geetha is laid out!

naveen 2009-01-08T04:17:06Z Michael http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#b210479c-2170-4c85-8f2d-015aba05a644 2008-12-11T16:17:25Z 2008-12-11T16:17:25Z

I believe religion is a pure concept for poor mankind to help survive all sorts of fate. And Jesus supported love in favor of fucking as it is a more intelligent way of communicating.

Michael 2008-12-11T16:17:25Z daniel http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#7727f001-a367-4553-8fc8-c6f061f6c686 2008-12-03T17:31:04Z 2008-12-03T17:31:04Z

i hate my new key board.....( there are a few mistakes in spelling my OCD wont let me leave alone...) "a man touches" instead of " I man touches" "very INACCURATE due to...." instead of "very accurate" "Atom" not "Atome .......god i'm difficult.....

daniel 2008-12-03T17:31:04Z daniel http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#877fb94f-0597-40f1-aa02-963590d75d27 2008-12-03T17:28:39Z 2008-12-03T17:28:39Z

Secular Humanist, because anything i man touches and creates is usually for his own benefit. I like the statement above about religions and holes, I am definetly nontheist because of this fact. I believe something created us but that something doesnt govern our every action. I think the "primordial soup" experiment was very accurate due to the fact that he introduced ultraviolet light and electric, if we started from a single atome, where did the ultraviolet light come from? the sparks? I'm sure there are theories out there trying to explain this, i say screw 'em all i could care less, my life is about living, being happy, and making money. Thats all our essence is about and i also believe sex drives us all as the most basic of instincts. We wouldn't want to survive if we couldn't have sex lol.

daniel 2008-12-03T17:28:39Z Nils http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#dd613e22-368b-4291-a168-b5c6ae810a4e 2008-07-03T02:11:36Z 2008-07-03T02:11:36Z

Have been an agnostic theist almost my entire life, thought religion and spirituality was for good doers and dumb people. Though did marvel at the grand design of the possible creator. Went though an LSD filled rough patch last year looking for meaning and finally placed my trust in Jesus Christ as the only one way. It was like finally seeing the truth through all the confusion and clutter that the world has churned out over the ages through religion, philosophy ect. The truly weird part of it was that in spite of me never having read a Bible it was as if I had known all along subconsciously. I lost most of my friends in the process of giving my life up, so to speak, my life and person were transformed rather radically and I started seeing through a pair of new eyes. That is the miracle that God gave me, still can't figure out why. So I suppose that would now make me a Christian (the word meaning follower of Christ). I don't consider myself religious and don't ascribe to any denomination in particular, but started to attend an apostolic church. What's your story Ryan?

Nils 2008-07-03T02:11:36Z Peta http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#cb09eb0b-4a88-4d11-97c5-baa65c1aaffc 2008-06-28T06:27:07Z 2008-06-28T06:27:07Z

I am an athiest. Mostly because I have never come across a religion that you can't poke holes in at some point. I've also found that religious leaders will not argue with you about the logic of their beliefs. I could go on for ages here........ but I don't think that religion is a completely negative phenomena. Some people seem to have a very deep void filled by their religious beliefs, it seems to give them some kind of purpose in their life.

Peta 2008-06-28T06:27:07Z Llee http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#d54a2dad-0616-454f-aa20-e994c765d13d 2008-06-19T04:54:28Z 2008-06-19T04:54:28Z

I am a Lutheran - it is the personal choice that appeals to me. I think Martin was on to something, breaking off from the church.

Llee 2008-06-19T04:54:28Z Artwit http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#4726cf8c-1801-4a62-bc73-ac558975496d 2008-06-15T16:32:08Z 2008-06-15T16:32:08Z

I am a physicist who doesn't believe in spooks and a spirit world, finding them unnecessary to explain anything. I find that the physical universe, or which we are an emergent manifestations, but still dependent on it for our existence and intelligence. As to "Why" I have no theory, only awe.

Artwit 2008-06-15T16:32:08Z klaus http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#9c0bc40f-3b85-4687-9b08-7c4f54245d6f 2008-06-14T15:26:11Z 2008-06-14T15:26:11Z

I'm a believer in the early Christian heresy called Docetism. because it is consequent in its condemnation of the unreliable, futile material world in opposition to the reliable realms of spirit.

klaus 2008-06-14T15:26:11Z Ryan http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/697b8ba8-7002-41e6-a778-74327c3036b9#b6faa93a-b9df-4358-bb89-01c36e9b721b 2008-06-08T05:25:12Z 2008-06-08T05:25:12Z

This should be fun. Hi my name is Ryan. I have an INTJ personality type and due to being dropped on my head as a child, have only a lowly IQ of 124. So, since I have been severely damaged as far as my potential mental capacity was concerned, I have embarked on the great adventure of determining what my fellow INTJians believe in, if anything, as far as nonworldy philosophy is concerned. I have this sinking feeling in the bottom of my stomach that this is undoubtedly a horrible, terrible idea. But just for grins, let me ask you. What are your beliefs and why do you to believe them?

Ryan 2008-06-08T05:25:12Z