Tribe.net. Local Connections Ian http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/55202f69-0adc-41cc-9069-9b8c1a20858a#e63be3cf-f3e7-4ed1-b2b9-f67ce3d9a77b 2009-10-31T11:16:50Z 2009-10-31T11:16:50Z

Hello Lilly, I'd like to add to your comment based on a conversation I had with my friend yesterday. Firstly, I would definitely say almost everyone here positng in the INTJ threads are very smart people. We're all very self evaluating people trying to reach a better understanding of things. I always remember a description that the INTJ person has an innate ability to ask "Does this work?" to everything. That's possibly why we're supposed to make good Engineers in various fields. Now the argument to my friend goes like this: - You have one man who comes out of school with very good grades. He wasn't the most social of people, he had big nerdy spectacles and liked playing on his super nintendo too much so he didn't make many friends. He goes to college and studies a Level maths and eventually goes on to be a very brainy professor in a university. Another man doesn't do quite as well in school. He's a bit of the opposite to the first guy. More brawny and less brainy but more social too. He develops more of an interest in Cars since his peer group always made it a big issue over who gets the best car. So this guy goes on to be a very skilled car mechanic and is able to fix any problem for a car. he'll never earn as much as the first guy but really enjoys his car and has great job security. So, who is truly the more intelligent man here? society says the first man should be but I don't believe so. The first man may be able to jot down very scientifical equations, alogrithms and probably has great mental arithmetic, yet relies on the second guy to fix his car. The second guy will more than likley have a greater social life too. In this day and age Social intelligence is likely to be the best form of intelligence to get through life. We're living in a world full of different cultures and more hostile environments. Good social skills really helps when it comes to facing these problems.

Ian 2009-10-31T11:16:50Z Lilly http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/55202f69-0adc-41cc-9069-9b8c1a20858a#f385cca9-366c-4a78-99be-72d23c923c37 2009-10-31T03:55:18Z 2009-10-31T03:55:18Z

The problem with IQ tests is that all they’re measuring is how well someone answers questions on IQ tests. And what is “intelligence” anyway? How can you truly measure logic? When people take personality test do they answer test honestly? or do they answer test according to how they perceive people see them?

Lilly 2009-10-31T03:55:18Z Peter http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/55202f69-0adc-41cc-9069-9b8c1a20858a#1f18f918-3699-4bad-87ae-ea62a57b3b05 2009-06-19T13:43:10Z 2009-06-19T13:43:10Z

ok well first I'll answer the main question. This is just my opinion, because there are varying beliefs on whether our types are encoded within our DNA or developed sometime later in life, I think it's a bit of both. But your real question is kind of like a chicken or the egg question, and all I have to say is that intuitives are probably more likely to be intelligent because intuition allows us to make connections in our brains/heads that sensors can't, ultimately this gives us clearer understanding and clarity, with a broader view of all that is. Interestingly this just popped a question in my head, I think ill start a thread on it later actually. ***Vicky posted IQ tests (coincidentally designed by iNtuiting types, it seems) appear to test for iNtuiting abilities -- such as, they tend to be timed tests, requiring rapid processing and [dare I say] iNtuiting leaps. There are 8 kinds of intelligence (with a nod to Gardener's theory of multiple intelligences), and so-called "IQ" is only one form of that. If you have a tendency to get carried away with arrogance over your high IQ, simply remember the intelligences you are weak in -- such as tactics and logistics, and possibly what they refer to as "emotional intelligence." That tends to level the playing field nicely. Ok so I've heard of the theories of multiple intelligences originally 7 and the nature intelligence added as the eighth. I think it's important that you mentioned this theory, I embraced it myself a while back. However I just thought I should mention that the IQ test is not just testing for one form of intelligence as you said. I can think of three off the top of my head that the IQ test measures, mathmatic/logical, verbal/linguistic, and spatial intelligence. The IQ test is not so bad it's just not wholistic in testing the various intelligences we are capable of. and BTW I heard a while back that INTJs populate about half of mensa, it's a very disproportionate amount considering how many of us there really are. and I also heard a theory that an INTJ can't have an IQ below 120, I've yet to see it or test below 120 myself, anyone else seen an intj score under 120?

Peter 2009-06-19T13:43:10Z Vicky Jo http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/55202f69-0adc-41cc-9069-9b8c1a20858a#2689e3be-7aff-4722-a375-bc0c7c278ddc 2008-07-01T17:11:40Z 2008-07-01T17:03:45Z

Peta, I confess I'm thrilled you're wondering. It's vitally important to keep an open mind after you undergo the "rite of initiation" that introduces you to type! Re-sitting the assessment will not be helpful. According to its own manual the MBTI is only 70% accurate -- at best! It's extremely common for INTJs to get INFJ results, and for INFJs to get INTJ results. I wish I had a nickel for every time I've encountered it -- it might pay my mortgage by now. At this point you have two choices: 1) accept the assessment results as final and forget about it 2) learn more about the theory and determine for yourself what your true pattern is Ta da! I have a hunch you can guess which choice I'm rooting for. As I told Jaime yesterday, there are three books I recommend. They include tinyurl.com/3lp9ex tinyurl.com/6j77yw tinyurl.com/4k8nbq and I'm going to add another to the list: http://tinyurl.com/4farax If you want to be my new best friend, you can buy my type CD: http://tinyurl.com/2kulr6 (FYI: those are all Amazon links, and my affiliate info is supposed to be embedded in them.) Excepting my CD of course, most of these are inexpensive booklets, and do NOT contain "unnecessary verbosity." Most people rave about them, and get a lot from them. So.... why am I recommending them to address your question? Two areas where you will find the greatest difference between the INTJ and the INFJ pattern include the following: 1) temperament differences Temperament gets at "why" we do the things we do. The *reasons* INTJs do things differ vastly from the *reasons* INFJs do things (even when they're doing the same thing). So this model digs into motivation. This booklet explores the core temperament values of these two patterns, and highlights differences in a clear, positive way. For instance, it has been extremely helpful for my husband and me to explore the "pragmatic" and "cooperative" dimension of our respective Temperaments. He has a habit of going off and doing things his own way [pragmatic] while I have a habit of waiting around for consensus [cooperative]. You can imagine the conflicts this difference creates. These tendencies typically create conflict in other relationships as well, so merely being aware of this dimension is enormously helpful. And that's just one of the many dimensions this booklet highlights. 2) cognitive pattern differences Because INFJs and INTJs have the same "spine" in their type pattern, it can be challenging to articulate differences. Using the eight-function model, one can quickly grasp how the auxiliary and tertiary functions create differences (without lapsing into trait talk! I hate it when people say stupid things like, "INFJs are nice and INTJs are mean." Traits are not type.). An INFJ's auxiliary process is extraverted Feeling, and their tertiary is introverted Thinking (both are shadow processes for INTJs).... In contrast, an INTJ's auxiliary process is extraverted Thinking, and their tertiary is introverted Feeling (both are shadow processes for INFJs). Both Dario's book and the "type code" booklet explore these differences in great depth. Dario's book even includes a mini assessment for each function. THIS is the "cutting edge technology" I was crowing to Jaime about. If you try to rely only on the MBTI's dichotomies, or restrict yourself to S N T F, you will be perpetually unable to explore the depth and richness that is available with type. Once you have developed familiarity with the 8 functions and begin to understand how you use *all* of them, THEN you are gaining psychological literacy. Taking an instrument is merely the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the depth of knowledge available from exploring the models that inform the assessment. That's where the real treasure is. Your current distress (wondering whether you have found your best-fit) is merely a reflection of your frustration with the superficial understanding you currently have. I encourage you to interpret your frustration as an invitation to learn more.

Vicky Jo 2008-07-01T17:03:45Z Peta http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/55202f69-0adc-41cc-9069-9b8c1a20858a#56164d7c-8656-4d6b-8ff5-efba1ec8b0e6 2008-07-01T12:49:50Z 2008-07-01T12:49:50Z

Jaime, Thanks for that, that actually helped clear something up for me :). I would agree that the area about INFJs being tuned into what other people are feeling was the one of the areas that I really didn't relate to: I have managed over the years to develop a greater awareness of what other people are feeling but I still have to make a concious effort to do so, as you said for yourself. I've been told my whole life that I need to express myself more and 'get excited' or 'be more enthusiastic' because people just think I'm completely cold, quite often :P. Another area I didn't relate to was that apparently INFJs like to help people develop their personal potential. I like to see people fulfill their potential ofcourse, but I get no immediate satisfaction in having a hand in it. Like you, it's not that I don't care about what other people are going through, or what they might need, but it's just hard for me to be aware of what they ARE going through sometimes, it simply just doesn't occur to me. I have to be honest in that I have a much easier time understanding things as opposed to other people. 'Aloof' would have to be one of the words that have been used most commonly in relation to me :) (along with shy, even though I'm not I just only speak when I see a good reason to do so). Thanks again, take care! :) Peta

Peta 2008-07-01T12:49:50Z Jaime http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/55202f69-0adc-41cc-9069-9b8c1a20858a#00eb22b4-0c37-4f9a-bfe0-741dccff2b51 2008-07-01T11:19:18Z 2008-07-01T11:19:18Z

When I read the INFJ description, there were also areas which ringed to me. However, they didn't ring as strongly as INTJ. My take on the matter is that I have developed my Feelings preference over the years. Currently, I'm a manager and I have had to work day-in and day-out with staff over the years. So I have had to learn to mellow down with people that are not exactly like I am, just for the sake of getting the results I want. Do I still get irritated when people get lazy, aren't proactive, or don't have an interest in learning anything else besides their "job description"?...yes! I even sometimes would like to go into an insult frenzy, but then, I talk to myself and work things out in my mind before I actually vocalize them. Another thing is that when I read that INFJs are more concerned with people, then that's a giveaway that it is not my preference. Not that I don't care about what people might be going through, just that I'm not so tuned into their feelings. I can be in tune if I really make an effort, but otherwise I will just act completely aloof to whatever is going on.

Jaime 2008-07-01T11:19:18Z Peta http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/55202f69-0adc-41cc-9069-9b8c1a20858a#4a4d89c6-3e12-4919-8747-a394e8779f32 2008-07-01T09:58:32Z 2008-07-01T09:58:32Z

Hi Vicki, I have to confess, now I am more confused than ever after reading those descriptions! I have to say that I relate more strongly to the INTJ description, but I can also relate to MOST parts of the INFJ descrption. :p Is there any other way that you know of to tell the difference between the two? My boss is qualified to administer and assess the MBTI test, so I can ask him if I can resit it I suppose. Now I'm really curious, do you have any other ideas? :) Thanks Peta

Peta 2008-07-01T09:58:32Z Jaime http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/55202f69-0adc-41cc-9069-9b8c1a20858a#f617ae3f-f0c7-4699-82f1-7d90f13e817b 2008-06-30T18:32:49Z 2008-06-30T18:32:49Z

Well, i wouldn't call it exactly pushy. I would say more encouraging. If I felt you were pushy, as in trying to impose something that I don't believe in or want to do, God knows that my INTJ stubborness will kick in and I will feel compelled to do exactly the opposite of what you wanted or just do nothing. ;-) But since you are more experienced and I definitely feel I can learn much more from you I definitely am all eyes and ears.

Jaime 2008-06-30T18:32:49Z Vicky Jo http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/55202f69-0adc-41cc-9069-9b8c1a20858a#be671d15-bfe9-471b-84d2-2dcc87c5a2e6 2008-06-30T17:56:25Z 2008-06-30T17:54:06Z

Peta, A few hairs to split. ;-D I use "psychological type" to promote understanding between people. "MBTI" is a brand name for an instrument that is only 70% accurate according to its own manual. I don't put my faith in the tool; I put my faith in the model. (And I tend to employ a professional instrument called the PTI in my own work that seems even more effective.) About my husband: it's possible I end up channeling his feelings and hurt FOR him. Being a normal INTJ, he tends to eschew emotions and present an unruffled demeanor to the outer world. I've noticed that sometimes I get upset or angry *for* him. It's an interesting dynamic. It reminds me of an observation I read once, something like, "Have you ever noticed how perfectly rational men are often married to hysterical women?" Sometimes I end up being the "hysterical woman" when he doesn't feel his own feelings. It's bizarre how that works. Lastly, my invitation to look at INFJ as a possibiity was an intuition based on some flimsy evidence I thought I noticed in your email. I don't intend to build a "case" or anything -- heck, I'll even tell you what I saw. I saw some diplomatic intelligence in the way you mediated the "arrogance" piece with me and the other tribe member who challenged it. You sought a "middle ground" between us and articulated it. I also noticed you were exploring "motive" about WHY somebody might be defensive with their IQ. ("Motive" is something INFJs tend to explore, while INTJs tend to explore "structures.") In this current post I am responding to, I can't help noticing your expressions of empathy -- which further provokes my curiosity. ;-D So those are some observations that triggered my question, just so you don't think I'm weird and secretive. ;-D I might even get pushy with you like i did with Jaime, and encourage you to look over the temperament descriptions at www.4temperaments.com to see which one resonates most in spite of your certainty. What have you got to lose? It's common that people get a result on an assessment, and then go looking for evidence that reinforces that "truth." Sometimes it gets in the way of having an open mind about finding their best-fit pattern. I know an INFJ online who insists she has INTJ preferences, and it's impossible to make a rational case for how it doesn't fit her. It's amazing how we can use the same words for things and mean vastly different things. Trying to get on the right road to our best-fit type pattern can feel like being lost in a maze sometimes. (Not that this description fits you -- I'm only venting my own frustration as a type practitioner. ;-D)

Vicky Jo 2008-06-30T17:54:06Z Peta http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/55202f69-0adc-41cc-9069-9b8c1a20858a#0d365a38-0509-4e27-bc1f-645bddf1b254 2008-06-30T17:09:53Z 2008-06-30T17:09:53Z

Vicki, Thanks for the reply; I agree with you that we should use the MBTI to promote understanding between people, I believe that people are angered by what they can't understand, and that if more people were aware of this theory they would be more accepting of the people around them. And I'm sorry to hear about what happened to your husband, that's tragic. I hope he's recovered from that injury (psychologically, I mean). It must have been a harrowing experience for him. Well, with regards to the possibility of me being an INFJ, I have to say that I think I am definately an INTJ. Mostly because I can relate very well to most of the descriptions that I have read about them, and I also experience extreme discomfort when dealing with the emotions of others (especially if I can't understand why they are being emotional). I have read this is one of the INTJs foibles. :p Well, as you said you are a professional in this area (I am not) but these are just my thoughts. Take care :) Peta

Peta 2008-06-30T17:09:53Z Vicky Jo http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/55202f69-0adc-41cc-9069-9b8c1a20858a#f418aadd-e5be-4ba2-bbe7-c397371d8d93 2008-06-30T16:02:57Z 2008-06-30T16:02:57Z

Peta, THANK YOU for your gracious clarification. :-) I entirely concede your point -- that my comment was out of context. In my defense, I will note yet again that my precise phrasing was "If you have a tendency to get carried away with arrogance over your high IQ"...... and you're right -- that was based on NO demonstration of said tendency. So that's all fair. AND... I find I'm resistant to simply leaving it there. :-D Being married to someone with INTJ preferences who traffics on INTJ message boards frequently, and encounters other INTJs often in his work or in the type community, it is common to meet INTJs who *do* suffer from arrogance. So my bringing it up on this tribe is based on historical precedence, not on anything specific that transpired here. And so to that point, I believe my message is still valid -- hubris is a common INTJ issue. Are you willing to go along with that and let it ride....? :-) I admire your modesty regarding your own aptitude regarding IQ, and your inclusiveness around accepting others. Thank you for modeling that. As far as Gardner's multiple intelligences go, I have an article around here somewhere that purports to demonstrate a link between Jung's cognitive processes (the 8 function-attitudes) and Gardner's 7 intelligences. (For the record, the term "function" when traced back to its origins translates as "to enjoy." So the functions are supposed to be enjoyed. ;-D) Certainly I know my husband *jumps* into extraverted Thinking mode at the drop of a hat, and he thoroughly enjoys [for instance] making travel plans (which I'd just as soon delegate to someone else to handle). If the link to Gardner's intelligences is too farfetched, the concept of "360 assessments" that are so popular in companies now tend to measure one's effectiveness according to eight "buckets" which likewise correspond to type processes. So this notion of of more than one kind of "intelligence" shows up in various incarnations in our culture. My point is to broaden the focus from there being one kind of "intelligence" to embracing the idea of there being more than one way to demonstrate intelligence and display excellence. When a greater spectrum is recognized and appreciated, it's easier to observe how "one-sided" it is to merely honor an intelligence that excels at IQ tests, and to remind us that the distribution of "gifts" is more evenhanded than our educational system tends to promote. Whew! Now to the point of INTJs being "victims of contempt." Hm.... what do I want to say about that? First off to say I recognize the depth of the issue and do not wish to minimize it. My husband has sometimes said that if he were a child growing up today, he would probably be diagnosed with autism. :-( Moreover, he has an elbow that was not allowed to set properly after he broke it by falling off a bike due to bullying by children when he was a young boy. Thus, the scars of "contempt" are present and visible in our household. (If I think about his elbow too much I start crying -- that's the degree to which an INFJ like me is affected by the hatefulness it symbolizes.) Thank God for type, right? Thank heavens for a psychological model that doesn't marginalize people, and treats us all as equally healthy and normal in our functioning. It has even been said that Jung singlehandedly rescued introverted iNtuition from being regarded as a sociopathy in Western culture. Yikes! We'd all be classified as crazy otherwise. It is so gratifying to have our gifts named, and to be able to honor and take ownership of them. Thank heavens we don't have to hide in the shadows. And now we have two obvious choices: We get to strike back at those who hurt us, treated us with contempt, called us "autistic" or "Asperger sufferers" or "avoidant" or "borderline," and permanently screwed up our arm so that we can never straighten it again. And who would fault us for that? Who would possibly challenge our entitlement to the revenge we deserve to take? Right? And then there's that other choice. That's the conscious choice to do it differently. To turn the other cheek. To repay hatred and violence with kindness and compassion. To embody Stephen Covey's philosophy: "Seek first to understand; then to be understood." And here's the bitter truth: that second choice isn't fair at all. It's not! It's not even reasonable. First they do insult, then injury, and THEN you're supposed to turn around and be gracious and compassionate and love thine enemy -- it's Too Great a Price to Pay! It's just too much. THEY are the ones who should pay. THEY are the ones who deserve to hurt, to suffer, to feel the hatred, and hostility, and the scourge of our disgust. THAT would be the fair thing, right? Right.... And. I have the belief (possibly a naive belief) that those of us who know and embrace the psychological type model are obliged (yes, obliged!) to answer prejudice with acceptance, to model celebration of diversity in the face of bigotry, and Walk the Talk of what C.G. Jung and Isabel Myers intended with their philosophies. BOTH of these great creators were repulsed by the violence of World War II. They sincerely believed their ideas had the potential to help people understand and accept one another, and that maybe, just maybe, it would prevent future wars. That peace needed to begin somewhere, and they chose to let it start with them. So those of us who know and use type stand at conscious choice. (That's the gift they gave us.) We can self-righteously return insult for insult, wound for wound, hostility for hostility, hatred for hatred -- OR we can walk in the paths of these two philosophers (Jung & Myers) and bring more lovingkindness into our world. So maybe I got a little triggered here -- I confess this goes right to the heart of my stance as a professional type practitioner. Perhaps I'm overreacting, and blowing things out of proportion, and taking this conversation to a ridiculous extreme. Perhaps I am. And... maybe this voice deserves to be heard and honored too. What do you think? ;-) PS: Peta, I invite you to investigate whether or not INFJ might be a "fit" for you, given a couple things I'm observing about your message. Will you consider that?

Vicky Jo 2008-06-30T16:02:57Z Peta http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/55202f69-0adc-41cc-9069-9b8c1a20858a#af5d1858-d146-4673-9ab1-dd370e9620b5 2008-06-30T06:05:06Z 2008-06-30T06:05:06Z

I think what Gdsdi thought was that you were insinuating that I was being arrogant by my comment. I knew what you meant, although it did seem a little out of context perhaps? Anyway, I have never felt arrogant about my high IQ, and I am familiar with the theory of the eight intelligences (although it seems credible, any tests I have taken for it seem to ask completely irrelevant questions; I don't see how much you ENJOY something can necessarily be indicative of how good your natural aptitude for it is). I don't think that just because I have a higher IQ that someone else makes my reality any more valid, because at the end of the day people can surprise you with what they have to offer. I also believe that everyone has a right to be here just as much as I do, so I don't feel superior. But anyway, I think that you have to note that many NTs have been victims of contempt by others in the past, especially the introverted ones. It often seems like many people don't get us, or want to 'get' us. That's fine by me, I have no time for people who just write off someone or something because they don't understand it. But I can't help but wonder if because of this, some people develop a protective layer, using their (often) high IQ as a way to make other people feel inferior. Subconciously they want to 'get you before you get me'. Well, just a thought. :)

Peta 2008-06-30T06:05:06Z Vicky Jo http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/55202f69-0adc-41cc-9069-9b8c1a20858a#50499a12-228f-4436-ba56-9737ae0622c5 2008-06-30T01:50:49Z 2008-06-30T01:49:38Z

I assume that your comment about not seeing "anything arrogant" about high IQ was in reply to me. ;-) To that I would counter that I used the qualifier "IF." My remark said "IF you are arrogant about it." I don't know whether that describes you or not. (I don't know you at all.) I have met Strategists [NTs] both in person and online who are arrogant when it comes to their IQ, and have even witnessed cruelty toward those who do not share this aptitude. I soooo appreciate my INTJ husband because he is *not* arrogant about how brilliant he is. I greatly admire how he has made deliberate efforts to develop his other capacities of intelligence, such as through music, coaching, managing, delegating, social hosting, leadership, dancing, sports, and ongoing professional development, amongst others. As Jung would remind us, it does not serve us to be "one-sided." Thus, swallowing one's arrogance or pride and consciously embracing one's vulnerability and conscious incompetence is a tremendous act of courage in my book. In this thing called life we were all awarded different gifts, and to honor and respect others' gifts as much as our own requires a certain kind of humility not everyone models. Furthermore, to strive to develop and be coached around areas where we struggle requires great bravery. If you are making these kinds of efforts, then you too have earned my respect and appreciation for doing the hard thing rather than the easy thing. I acknowledge and commend you for eschewing arrogance. ~applause~ PS: EVERYBODY has both an "N function" and an "S function." The idea that someone has gone missing either one of them is, ahhhh, impossible and sadly ignorant.

Vicky Jo 2008-06-30T01:49:38Z gdsdi http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/55202f69-0adc-41cc-9069-9b8c1a20858a#04e13064-58f3-4928-9537-f0d95fe2e923 2008-06-29T01:30:40Z 2008-06-29T01:30:40Z

Ns have a natural inclination to think in a way that leads to higher IQ scores. When you're born with a specific skill, you also tend to use it more. I don't see anything arrogant about it.

gdsdi 2008-06-29T01:30:40Z Wyatt http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/55202f69-0adc-41cc-9069-9b8c1a20858a#63270635-81d4-4b59-bf61-55895359108a 2008-06-29T01:29:02Z 2008-06-29T01:29:02Z

Hmmm.... i would definitely not agree that N's are in in general born brighter than S's... I think you have to look at specific cases. My ex is an ESTP, and she is INCREDIBLY intelligent. Especially about any logic based puzzle, and certainly about peoples motives. No one I have ever met can beat her in any sort of Gin/Rumy game, or poker. She counts cards without intending to. When she took the GMAT, she scored incredibly high and had offers coming in from prestigous schools. With people, she can meet and talk with them, and after an encounter, can decipher what their angle is, and it makes her INCREDIBLY business savvy, Buttttt.... she also does that ESTP thing where she focus's on the emergency of the day and dumps ALL of her energy into *that* instead of reserving ANYTHING for the grander picture, or root cause of the problem. This was also a problem in our marriage. Not the only one, but an important one.

Wyatt 2008-06-29T01:29:02Z Vicky Jo http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/55202f69-0adc-41cc-9069-9b8c1a20858a#f23c0bf8-1d6e-4282-a27a-b73d3315a07b 2008-06-28T05:55:15Z 2008-06-28T05:51:47Z

IQ tests (coincidentally designed by iNtuiting types, it seems) appear to test for iNtuiting abilities -- such as, they tend to be timed tests, requiring rapid processing and [dare I say] iNtuiting leaps. There are 8 kinds of intelligence (with a nod to Gardener's theory of multiple intelligences), and so-called "IQ" is only one form of that. If you have a tendency to get carried away with arrogance over your high IQ, simply remember the intelligences you are weak in -- such as tactics and logistics, and possibly what they refer to as "emotional intelligence." That tends to level the playing field nicely.

Vicky Jo 2008-06-28T05:51:47Z Peta http://INTJ.tribe.net/thread/55202f69-0adc-41cc-9069-9b8c1a20858a#120ede76-de24-4418-81aa-d906e5f3b047 2008-06-27T11:34:10Z 2008-06-27T11:34:10Z

But do you think that people who have higher IQs to begin with use their N function more (because they think about things more deeply), or are people who have an N function just (generally) born brighter?

Peta 2008-06-27T11:34:10Z