autism and the INTJ

topic posted Sat, October 6, 2007 - 9:22 AM by  Unsubscribed
i tink there's a link
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  • Re: autism and the INTJ

    Sat, October 6, 2007 - 1:05 PM
    You know, i used to wonder about that, too, interestingly enough. To enlighten you from the perception of someone who is in fact autistic, I would suggest the following reading: Animals in Translation by Temple Grandin.

    But, she has also written a book called Thinking in Pictures, which I tend to do quite often, and the freight of what I see versus what I can only communicate beyond my own brain is frustratingly limited sometimes. And this may be a commonality between INTJ's and people with autism.

    In essence, I believe this: There is no link between personality type and autism. With the exception of this: I believe autistic people would have a VERY difficult time with the N function (future oriented, possibilities, metaphors...) because this really means using one's brain to integrate detailed information over a broad range of experiences and tie it together as a bigger picture, which INTJ's are Really, Really, REALLY good at, and which people with autism typically are NOT. This is really a right-brained function, by the way.

    Now, I believe you are probably speaking of a Savant. And I am really not educated enough to speak on this. I am not a doctor, nor do I have experience dealing with autism.

    It has been shown, however, that there is a link between autism and ingestion of lead at an early age.

    Just FYI
  • Re: autism and the INTJ

    Sat, October 6, 2007 - 6:29 PM
    my INTJ husband believes that had he been born today, he probably would have been diagnosed with autism. Fortunately, he was born in 1951, and was also lucky to have an understanding grandmother who knew when he was "off with the fairies again."
    • Re: autism and the INTJ

      Sun, October 7, 2007 - 9:46 PM
      My sister-in-law works with an autistic student. Not like rain man. Never seen a savant. Obviously, since they are in school they are at least minimally functional. She basically sits with the student through out the day. Apprently they can keep up through lower levels of education. After that, they focus on life skills part of the day and on spending some time with the main stream students part of the day. For example, student spends part of the day stocking shelfs at a grocery store. He enjoys that (a lot). Apparently is very very good at what we would consider boring repetitive tasks.

      He recognizes my sister-in-law and will seek her out. But, it doesn't take long to realize it is a different social relationship. Hard to explain it. Just unlike anything else you will encounter. I won't say bad since everyone has value. Unique. Different.

      Prone to regular extreme emotional outburts. Often has to be physically restrained. Not as in hand cuffs or something, but grabbed and held tightly to your body. It has a calming affect. Apparently this is somewhat common. Was easy as a child. More difficult with a teenage boy. Rest of us just ignore it. He appears equally oblivious of us.

      Assume that long term prognosis is institutionalization. Don't really see any alternative. Seems to be accepted by his peers as someone special (in a positive sense).

      Have one set of relatives with a mildly autistic child. They are convinced that mercury in childhood vacines caused it. Google it and you will see this is almost a religious cause with some parents. As far as I can tell, no serious peer reviewed study has ever confirmed such a link. Don't bother telling this to those convinced of a causal linkage.

      I would add that from my (minimal) observations, you would never ever confuse even the most shy introverted ixxx with autism. Can't quantify why.
      • Aspergers syndrome

        Mon, November 12, 2007 - 2:50 PM
        I suspect I have Aspergers syndrome, my close INTJ friends fit the symptoms also.

        From Wikipedia:

        'Asperger syndrome (also Asperger's syndrome, Asperger's disorder, Asperger's, AS, or AD) is one of several autism spectrum disorders (ASD) characterized by difficulties in social interaction and by restricted and stereotyped interests and activities. AS is distinguished from the other ASDs in having no general delay in language or cognitive development. Although not mentioned in standard diagnostic criteria, motor clumsiness and atypical use of language are frequently reported.[1][2]

        Asperger syndrome was named after Hans Asperger who, in 1944, described children in his practice who appeared to have normal intelligence but lacked nonverbal communication skills, failed to demonstrate empathy with their peers, and were physically clumsy.

        There is no single treatment for Asperger syndrome, and the effectiveness of particular interventions is supported by only limited data. Intervention is aimed at improving symptoms and function. The mainstay of treatment is behavioral therapy, focusing on specific deficits to address poor communication skills, obsessive or repetitive routines, and clumsiness. Most individuals with AS can learn to cope with their differences, but may continue to need moral support and encouragement to maintain an independent life.[4] Adults with AS have reached the highest levels of achievement in fields such as mathematics, physics and computer science.[5] Researchers and people with AS have contributed to a shift in attitudes away from the notion that AS is a deviation from the norm that must be treated or cured, and towards the view that AS is a difference rather than a disability.[6]
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          Re: Aspergers syndrome

          Mon, November 12, 2007 - 4:45 PM
          Just wondering, is this just like the slightly higher manifestation of ADD or ADHD in ENFP's? Just a difference not a disease?

          I ask this because I was diagnosed with ADHD at 7 years of age, I have been taking medication for it since then. I am currently 21 and am currently off the meds (we are talking the worst of the worst Desoxyn). I chose the summer to quit since I had no school and no work for a certain period of time, the withdrawl was one of the worst things I have ever experienced in my life, but now looking back at it, I think it was worth the trouble. No more medicine craving and the like. I will admit that it did keep me calm, but I like who I am now.
          • Re: Aspergers syndrome

            Mon, November 12, 2007 - 11:50 PM
            I believe it IS a difference not a disease.

            Dr. John Beebe, a leading Jungian analyst working with the model of psychological types, has said that we often resort to "labels" as a way to explain differences. It seems much of the "diagnoses" we see coming out of the therapeutic field today are simply ways of categorizing people who are different from the "norm" (how our culture defines it, anyway).

            It's sad to live in a world that is often more interested in "pathology" than in healthy differences.
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    Re: autism and the INTJ

    Thu, December 6, 2007 - 1:35 PM
    the rate of autism in children is dramatically increasing in america, I've done a bit of research and found that there might be a relation of autism and mercury poisoning, mainly in the vaccinations children recieve(mercury is highly toxic, however it's used as a preservative in vaccinations...). Many have treated their children with chelation and their children are no longer autistic. Thought I should let you guys know about this in case your children suffer from the same disease.
    • Re: autism and the INTJ

      Fri, December 7, 2007 - 1:30 PM
      The idea that autism is increasing is just bogus. Epidemiologic studies done 20 years ago in Scandinavia showed about the same rates as you see today in America.

      The connection between vaccinations and Autism is a myth latched on to by scared parents who have yet to learn to appreciate their children as they are.

      This world would be a very dull place without the results of the imaginations of people on the autism spectrum.

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