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Romantic Relationships are supposed to be the achilles heel of INTJ personalities -- is this something you agree with? How are we supposed to cope?
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Re: Relationships
Thu, October 30, 2003 - 8:44 AMcan you elaborate with how romantic relationships are supposed to be the achilles heel? -
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Thu, October 30, 2003 - 9:03 AMFrom www.metaphysicalzone.com/types/INTJ.htm
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Personal relationships, particularly romantic ones, can be the INTJ's Achilles heel. While they are capable of caring deeply for others (usually a select few), and are willing to spend a great deal of time and effort on a relationship, the knowledge and self-confidence that make them so successful in other areas can suddenly abandon or mislead them in interpersonal situations.
This happens in part because many INTJs do not readily grasp the social rituals; for instance, they tend to have little patience and less understanding of such things as small talk and flirtation (which most types consider half the fun of a relationship). To complicate matters, INTJs are usually extremely private people, and can often be naturally impassive as well, which makes them easy to misread and misunderstand. Perhaps the most fundamental problem, however, is that INTJs really want people to make sense. This sometimes results in a peculiar 'naivete', paralleling that of many Fs -- only instead of expecting inexhaustible affection and empathy from a romantic relationship, the INTJ will expect inexhaustible reasonability and directness.
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Thu, October 30, 2003 - 2:29 PMThat's certainly me, but it's mainly a problem when dealing with the populace as a whole. Attempting to meet people, whether for friendship or romance, is *terribly* awkward. Socialization with most people is full of unwritten rules and irritatingly content-free communication...
But if you're lucky, you meet someone, possibly another INTJ, who understands. And if both people not only expect rationality and clear communication, but also provide the same.... what's the problem? -
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Thu, October 30, 2003 - 3:12 PMYeah, I'm frequently stepping in it too. It's like there's a foreign language of interpersonal skills which I'm unable to pick up.
What strategies are there to deal with the outside world (assuming you want to, I do in moderate doses). I tend to keep mental cheat sheets or "canned" etiquette. I feel phony at the end, but being alone seems even worse.
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Mon, November 3, 2003 - 1:16 PMI have the same problem, I find myself quickly irritated with the meaningless conversations people have. I find that my relationships, romantic or otherwise, tend to generally follow a pattern of becoming annoyed with the person after a period of time and deciding that its not worth my effort to continue the relationship.
I like to think that I have become rather adept at putting on my "game face" for work and other required social interactions, but that just becomes incredibly draining.
With regards to feeling phony, the way that I always thought of it was Im being no more phony than anyone else and that this is the way society runs. -
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Sat, November 29, 2003 - 2:17 AMAs for meaningless conversations, I like to play games with people by asking them seemingly impersonal questions that make them bear their soul to me...that's a way to make meaningful connections with people in social situations without selling out and participating in meaningless chatter.
As for relationships, I think the weakness is more complex. I read somewhere that we may have ridiculous blind spots for understanding ourselves (even though we introspect on some aspects of self obsessively...). It's these blind spots that always seem to mess with my relationships--basically, there's something about myself that I don't get well enough to understand how I'm interacting with the partner. Thus the relationship becomes entirely too complex and taxing (or if it isn't complex enough, I want something different...). I've just always had the sense that I need a little bit of conflict in relationships, mostly as a means for overall improvement, and when things aren't tumultuous I wonder why I'm with someone who doesn't challenge me.
But in sum, I think that the problems in relationships are partially a reflection of some part of ourselves we don't fully understand. We express these parts and don't understand the interactions that take place as a consequence, which leads to general miscommunication and a sense of isolation. Am I ringing any bells here, or is this just me? =)
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Thu, December 4, 2003 - 9:10 AMwow, I too always seem to be somewhat dissatisfied if there isn't the challenge of of conflict.
I too also play the, "answer my questions" game. People have told me that they aren't used to people actually asking for and listening to the sorts of personal information that I seem to get out of people. I think they find it kind of a nice change from "small talk" too, even if they aren't INTJ
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Sun, May 23, 2004 - 5:51 PMMy roommate and I were chatting this morning about how nobody's really fundamentally introverted--they're just not outgoing unless they're with "their people". Does that ring true for anybody? I know I'm much more outgoing when I'm with people I feel I can relate to, and that sure isn't the majority of the populace.
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Wed, November 5, 2003 - 9:32 PMMan, I hate that whole small talk thing. Get to the freakin' point! :)
I've managed to create a wonderful relationship with an INFJ. The fact that we have the common languare of M-B to describe what's going on (e.g., "I'm being very INTJ right now...") helps us out a lot. It's worked well for us. -
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Re: Relationships
Sun, May 23, 2004 - 4:32 PMagree completely....they're my achilles heel in the biggest possible sense....the boy and i have a very volatile relationship....and i take it all too personally and to heart. -
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Sun, May 23, 2004 - 4:37 PMand the bit about people having to make sense is also one of my biggest downfalls....if i can't work someone out and everything they do doesn't make sense....it does my head in with frustration. -
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Wed, July 21, 2004 - 6:47 PMYeah, I just got dumped by (probably) an INFP and had a very long conversation in which I tried to tease out some REASON why she suddenly lost interest when things were going very well and hot. But there's no explanation (at least not one she's conscious of), and I believe her. It's driving me insane (on top of feeling like I'm going to throw up with the thought of her not in my life).
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Sun, June 13, 2004 - 7:54 PMSo a question:
If we transcend our personality weaknesses, do we change our temprament identities?
I've spent a certain amount of time developing dating rituals (Firday night diners, Tuesday night movie dates, how I greet him at the door, etc) and the patience to learn rituals others value.
If our weaknesses are certain lacunae and a lack of recognition for the importance of ritual, can't we at least address the later?
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Fri, July 2, 2004 - 10:46 AMI don't think it changes things. Though we may attain these "people skills" it is still just a tool to satisfy our primary tempermant needs. No harm in acquiring the weaker traits (E-S-F-P) if it suits your needs.
As for romance, people find it strange that my wife does not prefer romance. Yeah, I admit to being un-romantic, but hey if my woman (ENTP) prefers meaningful debate over flowers more power to her!
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Thu, July 22, 2004 - 2:11 PME-S-F-P are weaker traits? Please do explain that. -
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Thu, July 22, 2004 - 2:26 PMWeaker in realtion to INTJ. This is an INTJ group, right? E is our weaker side, S is our weaker side, F is our weaker side, P is our weaker side. These are weaker for us since it is on the opposite side of our preference.
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